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To consider the Conservatives' manifesto pretty decent on the whole?

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Puzzledandpissedoff Thu 18-May-17 15:45:51

Pretty decent in terms in principles, that is ... as so often with manifestos it's too thin on costings

Main points here: www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39960311

Full version here: www.conservatives.com/manifesto

FithColumnist Thu 18-May-17 15:46:48

YABU.

Itisnoteasybeingdifferent Thu 18-May-17 15:53:23

Puzzled...
You should know better than to support the Tories on MN.. It's asking to be flamed.

Having said that I am not keen on the new approach to social care.. Spend all your cash on beer and skittles all your life and you get free care.. save, buy a house and get it taken from you.

shinyredbus Thu 18-May-17 15:58:19

YANBU - but then again I am a conservative voter grin puts hard hat on

Puzzledandpissedoff Thu 18-May-17 15:58:26

You should know better than to support the Tories on MN.. It's asking to be flamed

That's okay, my shoulders are broad enough to take it wink

And to be fair, I said "pretty decent on the whole" ; I certainly don't agree with all of it ...

Dawndonnaagain Thu 18-May-17 16:00:30

YABU. Social Care and welfare gone. Nice.

By the way Itsnoteasy. I've been on soup and toast for a week because I took my disabled dd away for three days. She hasn't been away for two years. So shove your beer and skittles fallacy. Oh, and I own my house outright because I did work and pay into the system, so I get screwed front, back and sideways.

LadyGlitterSparklesSeriously Thu 18-May-17 16:02:49

Yabu.

NoLotteryWinYet Thu 18-May-17 16:05:26

why the tax cuts though? DH and I will be about £250 per month better off if this gets enacted, vs £200 pm worse off (well at least) if Corbyn gets in.

I'm glad they changed the triple-lock, the FSM meal moving to free breakfast is a fabulous idea. But there isn't enough money for education...

squishysquirmy Thu 18-May-17 16:06:29

Dawndonagain sad

It takes a staggering lack of self awareness for someone to complain about getting unfairly "flamed" in one breath, and then to make sweeping, nasty generalisations about those who need help from the system in the next.

Puzzled: there are some things I like about the manifesto, but many I don't and I do worry that some of the policies designed to save money will actually cost more in the long term.

NoLotteryWinYet Thu 18-May-17 16:06:42

Did they make any guarantees about not cutting PIP further? Will watch the news tonight to get more detail.

Hillingdon Thu 18-May-17 16:06:43

It's not bad. I like they have been brave enough to take away the winter fuel allowance. Not every one needs it. Social care and welfare hasn't gone btw. Stop scare mongering!

MrsTerryPratchett Thu 18-May-17 16:07:28

If you ignore people with disabilities, I'm sure the Tories look like a great option.

I used to work with people with LDs and, although the system wasn't perfect, I was proud of the fact that the UK used to be a place people with disabilities could live. Not subsist or survive; live.

Not any more.

Elphaba99 Thu 18-May-17 16:07:47

YABU; 1. To believe a word the Tories say, given their track record on basically everything. And 2. To think that they give a rat's arse about disabled/ill/poor/public sector workers/the emergency services/NHS etc ad nauseam.

ThroughThickAndThin01 Thu 18-May-17 16:09:34

Yanbu.

Happy enough with that.

Not quite sure why free school lunches are being scrapped and breakfast introduced though.

Puzzledandpissedoff Thu 18-May-17 16:10:20

Did they make any guarantees about not cutting PIP further?

Unless I'm mistaken I don't think that was in there ... ?

Hillingdon Thu 18-May-17 16:11:53

I have worked with the public sector for over 30 years as a supplier. They need a jolly good shake up, the waste, the endless meetings about nothing, another meeting arranged with a different set of people. I have particular experience with the NHS. Throwing money at it doesn't work.

For people who don't like what is happening, you have a choice, you make changes or you stick with it.

MerryMarigold Thu 18-May-17 16:13:17

Watching with interest.

As far as I'm concerned we're back to: If you're not rich, you're stuffed.

Anything significant on the NHS/ Education? No. Why are they farting about with breakfast? I wasn't particularly a fan of the school meals, but breakfast is worse. Is school going to start earlier? Are they going to get catering/ midday staff in for the entire morning instead of starting a bit later and going over lunchtime? A classic example of messing about with details when the main things (funding for SEN, TAs etc.) is less.

VladmirsPoutine Thu 18-May-17 16:18:52

ThroughThickAndThin01 The cost for breakfast is far far cheaper to provide than lunch.

BorisTrumpsHair Thu 18-May-17 16:20:08

You should know better than to support the Tories on MN.. It's asking to be flamed.

I beg to differ - I find MN increasingly Tory the last few years.

Even MN has largely come over all ME ME ME.

Peregrina Thu 18-May-17 16:20:15

As far as I'm concerned we're back to: If you're not rich, you're stuffed.

My feeling exactly. As Theresa May showed on Monday in Abingdon - tell them that you are targetting people who need it, i.e. you Cathy, can go to hell, I am not interested in you.

Sadly though, people will vote for them and then it will be "Oh, we didn't expect this", whine, whine. Be aware of exactly what you are voting for.

Puzzledandpissedoff Thu 18-May-17 16:21:43

Totally agree with you about the public sector, Hillingdon ... I too have more experience of this issue than I care to think about

NoLotteryWinYet Thu 18-May-17 16:23:17

Unfortunately it's a question of what we're not voting for, with Corbyn, what we don't want to see enacted.

EezerGoode Thu 18-May-17 16:23:23

I can never vote labour after tony b....was voting con...but I can't vote for a party that's happy to rip foxes apart...so now what???? Any ideas?

Tiredemma Thu 18-May-17 16:23:38

Great manifesto if you are not vulnerable in any sense of the word.

SynysterGates Thu 18-May-17 16:24:15

"Did they make any guarantees about not cutting PIP further?

Unless I'm mistaken I don't think that was in there ... ?"
see how much they give a shit.

as for beer and skittles.....yeah right would flame but why bother. posters like that show how dense they are all by themselves\

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