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AIBU to hope? Warming to Corbyn...

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citroenpresse Fri 12-May-17 14:45:17

He's the oldest of old dogs. His colleagues seem to loath him. But reading his Chatham House speech, there was very little to disagree with.and healthy domestic proposals. VAT on private school fees (yes). Tax on the highest 5% earners (yes). Higher corporation tax - not on small businesses (yes). Reducing danger of inflated executive pay through government tender changes (yes). Protecting bees (yes yes yes). He's not looking for gimmicky vote winners, he's been banging on about this stuff for years (and no one could deny his tenacity in the leadership process). Labour has some real talents like Keir Starmer Wouldn't we prefer him rather than Boris Johnson taking on Trump? Do miracles happen?

nInachu Fri 12-May-17 14:50:19

I hope they do

DonaldStott Fri 12-May-17 15:05:22

I don't understand why people would not vote for a fairer society.

People need to vote for policies, not individuals.

Party leaders are figureheads. Policies are all made behind doors by a team of people.

Do you really think Theresa May woke up, done her 'woman jobs' and thought 'I think I will bring back fox hunting'

I am actually a Jeremy fan, but am under no illusion that he single handedly devised the whole Labour manifesto.

PigletWasPoohsFriend Fri 12-May-17 15:11:58

He's not looking for gimmicky vote winners

Yet all those things you have stated could be vlassed as 'gimmicky vote winners'

Let's see his workings out as to how much it will cost and if it is realistic first.

I have lost count as to how many policies CGT is paying for.

People need to vote for policies, not individuals.

Some people have red lines.

ShatnersWig Fri 12-May-17 15:29:29

I'm trying to work out in what situation we (ie the UK) are going to be taking on Trump?

citroenpresse Fri 12-May-17 15:38:41

Taxing the rich in order to reduce poverty is 'gimmicky''? Tories excel at pretendy politics. Just look at their negotiating approach to Brexit. Terrifying. Am definitely voting Labour and even if there is a landslide for the Tories, at least I'll be voting FOR fairness and not a British society where the government is anxious to appease bankers who are unhappy because their annual bonus is only 650k.

WhatToDoAboutThis2017 Fri 12-May-17 15:45:32

A miracle won't happen in this situation. It's going to be a Tory landslide; nothing anyone can do about it.

Anon213 Fri 12-May-17 15:49:47

Seriously, you really think people who vote Conservative dont think they are also voting for a fairer society?

You can bang on all until the cows come home about voting for the policies but if you think the people responsible for delivering the polices aren't able to afford or deliver them then your voting for a worse society.

We need to vote for someone who is offering policies that are realistic, affordable and most importantly will be able to delivery then.

Corbyn, McDonald, Abbot and Thornberry can't even do simple maths never mind run a countries economy.

Headofthehive55 Fri 12-May-17 15:52:47

They sound nice the ideas. But then ice cream daily sounds fab, until you realise you've put on weight.
The problem Is often unintended consequences.
A higher tax on higher earners just won't be enough to vaguely get started. So either borrowing increases or taxes for everyone increases.

PigletWasPoohsFriend Fri 12-May-17 15:55:31

Seriously, you really think people who vote Conservative dont think they are also voting for a fairer society?

Exactly.

I have until this time voted Labour, however this moral superiority that some Labour voters have is ridiculous.

Headofthehive55 Fri 12-May-17 15:58:40

Take banning internships. Fairer?
Yes but...
My DD does a course at uni where they apply centrally for jobs. The system has decided, to be fair, and not take into account internships and also extra curricula stuff. (Some people might not have had the opportunity)
The result is that the students no longer have any interest in developing themselves as "most people just get a job anyway" so there is no need to make any more effort....
Unintended consequences.

PNGirl Fri 12-May-17 16:02:07

YABU to hope. This election is going to go one way and it's to the right.

Dottie39 Fri 12-May-17 16:08:57

I don't get it, everyone keeps asking how labour will afford to fund the NHS, scrap tuition fees and increase the police like its a complete impossibility! May says we are going to spend billions on trident and people are just 'meh!'

TheNaze73 Fri 12-May-17 16:12:54

Headofthehive, it wouldn't surprise me, if the free ice cream idea is in Corbyn's manifesto. wink

19lottie82 Fri 12-May-17 16:15:09

I don't agree with the tax on private schooling. It's a nice idea in principle but what happens if it's enough to prevent parents from sending their kids to a private school? The cost of a state education will be a LOT more.

We couldn't cope if there weren't any private schools. They take away burden from our state funded education system.

citroenpresse Fri 12-May-17 16:19:21

Anon213 Seriously? Well let's see, name just one current Tory policy that is realistic, affordable or has in any way created a fairer society.

paganmolloy Fri 12-May-17 16:25:05

Dottie39 I couldn't agree with you more.

Headofthehive55 Fri 12-May-17 16:27:09

Is is fairer to have a have a society where you don't need to try extra as it doesn't count as we are all equal?

isthisacceptable200 Fri 12-May-17 16:29:15

I agree that the Tory increase of the debt, for example, barely gets a mention, as well as the millions they will be spending on Brexit.

Labour talks about finding the NHS better on the other hand, and people look at them as if they are chancers/dreamers/idiots.

Most Tory "fairer society" gestures are tokens. I believe ltitle of what they say. More funding towards Mental Health - great - not when you take into account the 6000 axed psychiatric nursing positions though. Masters at spin.

I will be voting Lib Dem though as I cannot stand anyone else's position on the EU.

isthisacceptable200 Fri 12-May-17 16:30:00

funding

Gottagetmoving Fri 12-May-17 16:33:24

Seriously, you really think people who vote Conservative dont think they are also voting for a fairer society

If they think they are, they are deluded. Unless you mean it's fairer for those who are already doing ok and can afford good private pensions, private healthcare, a mortgage or high rents.
I wonder what sort of bubble Tory voters live in to be honest.

ThisIsStartingToBoreMe Fri 12-May-17 16:37:32

Aren't labour going to disarm this country though?

Gottagetmoving Fri 12-May-17 16:38:17

Is is fairer to have a have a society where you don't need to try extra as it doesn't count as we are all equal?

Is it fair to have a society where you work your socks off and try hard but still can't afford a decent home or lifestyle?
No one should have to try extra. We should all do our best and some are more able than others.
Some are born into far more advantages than others.
We should all get the best education and opportunities....but that doesn't happen.

coconuttella Fri 12-May-17 16:39:09

I don't get it, everyone keeps asking how labour will afford to fund the NHS, scrap tuition fees and increase the police like its a complete impossibility! May says we are going to spend billions on trident and people are just 'meh!'

Firstly, Labour are also committed to Trident. Secondly, the annual cost of Trident is far less than Labour's pledges to increase spending as outlined in its manifesto.

Slightlyperturbedowlagain Fri 12-May-17 16:39:12

Actually it's his foreign policy announced today that's improving my perception.

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