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MrsRuby Wed 10-May-17 20:48:56

AIBU to want to counteract the lies I keep reading on here?

Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable/ a shambles/ can't lead.

He's been an mp for 34 years, always voted on his principals, never been involved in scandal, claims a pittance in expenses, lives in his constituency, voted in as leader of his party by a large majority twice, has been responsible for a huge surge in party members, elicits genuine interest and support from the public, can debate and speak publicly without scripted answers.

The NHS is too big to be saved/where is the money coming from.
Conservatives bailed bankers out with 180 billion. 30 billion is needed to 'save' NHS. The money is there and can be costed through taxing top 5% of earners (see below). That's only people earning over 80k (not 40k or 55k or any other number I've seen on this site. Anyone earning over 80k - again that's just the top 5% of earners in this country) will have to pay a LITTLE bit more tax). Here is a break down of many other policies and how they will be paid for;

✔️Labour will reverse the Tory Party cut in Corporation Tax saving the UK Taxpayer £64 billion over a parliamentary cycle (OBR)

✔️Free School Meals for children aged 4-11, costing £900m which will be raised by placing VAT on Independent Schools which will raise £1.1bn+

✔️£10 per hour Minimum Wage for all over 18 years benefiting 5.5m workers, paid for by the private sector firms, and savings in reduced Working Tax Credit payments

✔️A 17% increase in the unpaid carers’ allowance worth £500 a year, paid for by reversing the recent Inheritance Tax cut
Renationalise the Railways, which will cost nothing because we’ll take railways into public ownership as franchises lapse

✔️Halt the tender of NHS contracts to private health, phasing out the £48bn given to private health since 2010. This will save taxpayers between £3.5bn-£5bn in reduced profits paid to private health

✔️Build 200,000 homes a year, half from the private sector at zero cost to the taxpayer. The rest would be Council Homes paid for by giving Councils the power to borrow against existing assets. Consequently, the UK’s £12bn Housing Benefit bill to private landlords would start to fall.

✔️Introduce 4 new public holidays per year that BoE say would be cost neutral due to increased expenditure by the public on those days off, £2.3bn.

✔️End Zero Hour Jobs by guaranteeing any worker on regular hours a contract. This carries zero cost to the taxpayer.

✔️A ban on companies based in tax havens, or those who pay their CEOs more than £350,000, bidding for government contracts. This carries no cost to the taxpayer.

✔️Halt the opening of new Free Schools and new Grammars which will save the taxpayer money as NAO says Free Schools cost double what was originally intended.

✔️Ban ‘sweetheart’ deals between the HMRC & Multi-Corps and make the big firms publish their tax returns. This will increase tax revenue because it becomes harder for firms to hide profits.

✔️Eradicate the Gender Pay Gap by making firms publish their pay differentials between men & women. This will increase UK tax revenue from higher wages.

✔️Labour will cut Business Rates for small businesses by £1.5bn, and end Multi-Corps paying SMEs."

Iraq war.
Historic. Not Jeremy Corbyn. He voted against it.

IRA.
Historic. JC publicly tried to broker peace talks. Same as Thatcher (who lied and said she wasn't but did in secret).

What else have you got?

So AIBU and how?

Tapandgo Wed 10-May-17 21:04:23

Sadly he is not good at managing his public image in this media savvy age. Too often he has ignored the press (instead of courting them), been silent on issues he needed to give soundbites on, and too quick to defend poor performance of some colleagues. Most damagingly he has not shown himself a good leader of his party - too much division and bickering surfaces too often.
While being media aware, giving soundbites and 'spin doctoring' messages is something 'shallow' and smacks of 'professional politics', it is necessary to get yourself elected as most of the public don't encounter party leaders personally or get down to the nitty gritty important details of their qualities that you articulate. Sad but true.

PS - I want a Labour Government in the Westminster Parliament, but I am afraid he is yet to grasp the reality that he has to appeal to all areas of society to get their votes

Fruitcorner123 Wed 10-May-17 21:15:40

YANBU it is so frustrating that people keep criticising him because he is not very charismatic. Who cares!? That isn't what will save the NHS and stop schools from falling into financial ruin and make brexit less disastrous.

HallowedMimic Wed 10-May-17 21:20:15

His public image is diabolical though.

He doesn't seem to care that his party is suspected of being ragingly anti Semitic.

He values loyalty over competency (Abbott).

And he isn't offering any hope on the Brexit front, which is foremost in most people's minds at the moment.

FelixtheMouse Wed 10-May-17 21:20:41

Brexit is conspicuous by its absence from your list.

TessTube Wed 10-May-17 21:21:23

What are the lies? You've just listed his policies.

MrsRuby Wed 10-May-17 21:22:01

Thank you for that lovely first answer Taoandgo as I prepare to be flambéd to death grin

I must respectfully disagree on some of your points though -
Since he was re-ejected as leader I think he's had a good public profile. All those people joined the party because of him and he owns PMQT - much more 'charismatic' than TM.
Since GE called has really upped the passion in his delivery. Has actual answers to questions - a refreshing change from most MPs!
It's time to convince people that voting based on someone's suit or beard is not necessarily the best basis of an argument!

littlehandcuffs Wed 10-May-17 21:22:20

Yay! I won't be greedy : ) I'll just answer one. Free school meals, paid for by a tax on Independent schools......many parents are already struggling to pay the fees and will not be able to absorb the massive increases....meaning a huge ammount of children returning to state schools : ) Not just wiping out the modest £1.1bn but eclipsing it with the new schools that will need to be built to accommodate them on top of an increasing school population ( Corbyns figures don't even take the increasing numbers due to new births atm into account ) Where on earth is he getting his figures from??

MrsRuby Wed 10-May-17 21:23:12

Thank you Fruitcorner.

littlehandcuffs Wed 10-May-17 21:25:34

And weirdly all my social media is completely swamped with pro-Corbyn posts? What on earth is going on? Is this some sort of media push?

VivienneWestwoodsKnickers Wed 10-May-17 21:26:11

Why the party political broadcast?

Tapandgo Wed 10-May-17 21:27:42

Ruby ...'re-ejected as leader'

Oh dear

2014newme Wed 10-May-17 21:29:55

I vote labour but not this time. Corbyn is totally ineffective as opposition leader, he's failed to land a punch despite a myriad of opportunities.

He would be a crap prime minister. I don't give a shit about his principles or how long he has been an mp.

The rest of the country likely feels the same and he won't be party leader for more than another month.

2014newme Wed 10-May-17 21:31:36

He'll be consigned to history as someone who had a brilliant opportunity but failed to take it. #hopeless
He actually makes ne angry as he us so bloody ineffective and we need a robust opposition

FelixtheMouse Wed 10-May-17 21:32:21

Brexit anyone?

Chippednailvarnishing Wed 10-May-17 21:32:22

He would be a crap prime minister. I don't give a shit about his principles or how long he has been an mp

This.

He's made Labour unelectable.

ThroughThickAndThin01 Wed 10-May-17 21:34:32

Very pleased he's unlikely to be our PM. Yes he comes across as a man with principles. It's not enough.

YABU

Tapandgo Wed 10-May-17 21:35:02

Suit, tie or beard are irrelevant to me (and most sane people), even if they were on Theresa May. Policies are important - well communicated and costed. Many voters will not vote Labour because of the current leader and we will be stuck with Tories again - despite their hideous policies.

StillDrivingMeBonkers Wed 10-May-17 21:38:03

claims a pittance in expenses

I have to nail this one.

Year 2015/16 he claimed 150K in expenses, which is 5K down on the year 2014/15

www.theipsa.org.uk/mp-costs/your-mp/jeremy-corbyn/

MrsRuby Wed 10-May-17 21:38:11

I believe he takes Anti Semitism seriously - it's not a problem confined to the Kabour party but sadly must be taught in all walks of life. There is not a single figure or statistic to back up a claim of increased anti-semitism in the Labour party. Or about a man who has spent his life fighting against discrimination and prejudice.

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-anti -semitism-labour-conference-jewish-supporter-vote-political-weapon-a7330891.html%3Famp

Another quote re Brexit - He dismisses Theresa May's Brexit pledge that "no deal is better than a bad deal" and promises to protect EU funding across the UK, guarantee worker's rights and drop the Conservative Great Repeal Bill which would allow EU laws to be scrapped.

More on that in the manifesto tomorrow I would hope.

MrsRuby Wed 10-May-17 21:39:11

Sorry - Labour Party
Must be Faught

StillDrivingMeBonkers Wed 10-May-17 21:42:52

Seeing as TM has promised to import EU legislation wholesale and then it will be reviewed as to whether its applicable to ourselves, makes your Great Repeal Bill (was there ever such a thing) redundant.

MrsRuby Wed 10-May-17 21:43:11

Because I see thread after thread inaccuracies peddling the same old tropes that get repeated for pages that no sane person would traipse through to get to my counter argument - so I started my own.
I'm trying to show the courage of my convictions!

MrsRuby Wed 10-May-17 21:43:52

I'm typing on my phone!

TessTube Wed 10-May-17 21:44:33

I thought he only claimed £15.76?

How did that happen?

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