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In thinking 30 free hours won't be available to the majority of us

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backtowork2015 Tue 25-Apr-17 13:04:14

My ds aged 3 is in private nursery, I've asked the nursey manager and they have no information on how this may be implemented at present.
I have spoken to the council the nursery is in anc they say they are waiting for central government guidance.
I spoke to my council (neighbouring town) and asked for a list of nurseries who have confirmed they will participate and they say that doesn't exist and i would have to call nurseries myself to enquire.
It's supposed to begin in Sept and it seems nothing is in place. I have completed an online eligibility via government website and have an eligibility code, which according to the website I now simply present at childcare provider of my choice (!!!) I don't think a school nursery would work for us hours wise if it does turn out to be a school/private nursery divide, anyway I have missed applications for that as I thought he'd stay in private nursery.
What are peoples experience of this?

ohdeaeyme Tue 25-Apr-17 13:07:01

i dont think a lot of nirseries can afford to bring it in

EatTheChocolateTeapot Tue 25-Apr-17 13:07:38

Do you mean pre-school? I don't think there is a formal deadline for application to pre-school. They also hand you the paperwork to fill out at my son's pre-school, no need for a code.
He is 3, right? Not 2.5?

TeenAndTween Tue 25-Apr-17 13:09:38

I think a lot of places won't offer 30hrs as, as I understand it, the money given to the nursery for the free hours doesn't cover costs etc properly and is less than the hourly private rates.

Like care homes.

Rollonbedtime7pm Tue 25-Apr-17 13:14:56

We have the hours this term (pilot area) and the council were saying we had til the day before term to determine our eligibility so can't imagine anyone is even thinking of September yet!

We are splitting ours between preschool and a childminder. We use a 'stand alone' preschool (not part of a day nursery) and you can apply and start whenever you like! No deadlines.

backtowork2015 Tue 25-Apr-17 13:16:37

EatTheChocolateTeapot yes he's 3. Although I don't think a school nursery would work, I need the longer hours. If they arn't going to offer it they should tell us now, if I could get him into a free place I would need time to sort it out.

AntiHop Tue 25-Apr-17 13:16:43

Asking around friends where I live, some nurseries have confirmed they won't be offering it. Apparently it's optional. My dd's private nursery will be offering it.

upperlimit Tue 25-Apr-17 13:17:14

I don't know, my child minder won't offer the 30 hrs. Do all of the hours have to be with the same provider?

FilledSoda Tue 25-Apr-17 13:17:57

I've heard and read on various childcare provider forums that it won't be workable for a lot of providers and they won't be taking part.

Snap8TheCat Tue 25-Apr-17 13:18:40

But they won't know right now if they can offer it.

Blame the government please not the nurseries.

And yes you do need a code for the additional 15 hours available to working families to confirm eligibility.

backtowork2015 Tue 25-Apr-17 13:19:14

Using it with a childminder is using it privately, that's interesting, makes me wonder if private nurseries might offer it.

backtowork2015 Tue 25-Apr-17 13:23:35

www.childcarechoices.gov.uk/?utm_source=Foundation+Years&utm_campaign=3ca12b70f4-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_04_13&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e05004a334-3ca12b70f4-295926005

I was sent this link and completed it to get the eligibility code

Snap8TheCat Tue 25-Apr-17 13:23:45

Any OFSTED registered (early years register) setting (this includes childminders) can provide it.

strawberrygate Tue 25-Apr-17 13:24:35

if it is a fair and honest nursery / childminder they will take the hourly pay from the council, times it by 30 and knock that off your bill. No losing out for the nursery and cheaper for the parent. Any other way makes no sense / is nursery being paid twice

JustFuckingReally Tue 25-Apr-17 13:24:45

Some will offer it, some won't. It will depend on the overheads of each business and the hourly rate the LA are offering!

Snap8TheCat Tue 25-Apr-17 13:24:47

Although if you don't want to use it until September you'll need to apply for a new code before then. They only last 3 months.

Snap8TheCat Tue 25-Apr-17 13:25:36

strawberrygate local authorities are prohibiting that type of invoicing.

nonwonderwoman Tue 25-Apr-17 13:25:41

My private nursery will be offering the 30 free hours but we don't fit the criteria so can't use the hours.

whifflesqueak Tue 25-Apr-17 13:26:09

my children's nursery are currently saying that they'll offer it to low income families, which is good news for us.

Tomorrowillbeachicken Tue 25-Apr-17 13:27:46

They get a pittance for it so why would they offer it?

NeverTwerkNaked Tue 25-Apr-17 13:28:37

My Dd nursery has confirmed they will be offering it, and set up meetings for a month or so's time about how it will work. I am anticipating that they will either have to up their hourly rates for the "chargeable bits" or charge extra for meals/certain activities in order to make the books balance. I won't mind paying the extra as I would rather do that than them provide a less than excellent service due to cost cuts though.

Looneytune253 Tue 25-Apr-17 13:30:05

The system isn't fully up yet but nurseries etc are currently setting up provision for September. I know our local school has been making arrangements for working parents to use their second 15 hours with them. Not all nurseries and childminders will be offering it so may be a good idea to clarify for certain whether they will be trying to accommodate it. I am a childminder and in my area you can do the (national) eligibility checker but as yet the local authority aren't taking the applications as yet. It is on its way though. Think it's gonna be a pretty instant service.

backtowork2015 Tue 25-Apr-17 13:31:13

Strawberrygate
I'd be happy with that, I understand the cost of the care is higher than they're offered by the government, just knocking some money off would do

WutheringTights Tue 25-Apr-17 13:34:39

Do the local school nurseries offer paid for wrap around care? All our local ones do. Or school nursery and a childminder for the wrap around? That's what I'll be doing with DC2 in September 2018.

strawberrygate Tue 25-Apr-17 13:35:30

It is more than feasible to just knock off what you get from the council. it's what i do.

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