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To hate what is happening (sorry its an election one)

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TheoriginalLEM Sun 23-Apr-17 08:46:25

I hate what is happening to my country. I am British and pr...... well actually not so much these days. I was proud to be part of a diverse country that embraced what "others" could bring in terms of economic and cultural gain. That we were a respected nation that made a difference in the global stage. But now we have become that selfish little brat in the playground, with the nice sweets they don't want to share. No one wants to play with that child anymore, the other kids realise that they are really not all that and quite frankly a little bit pathetic.

I was proud to be British and part of something bigger (Europe) and it made me feel safe.

Now i don't feel safe - i know there are other things at play here.

We are being dictated to by an UNELECTED (oh the irony) harridan who knows full fucking well that she is the only one who can negotiate the shit storm that is Brexit at this stage. Giving the country hobson's choice .

People will forget that she will decimate our schools and create an even more exclusive (not in a good way) society where the less able, less privalidged and ordinary people will be an after thought. Those on benefits will have no voice - look what they have done to disabled people with their fucking benefits cap (the cunts).

Local authorities are scrimping and it shows, so why has my council tax just gone up £50 a month and the services provided being slashed? hmm

Do you know what i hate more - that this elitism is like a cancer. It spreads, insidiously even throughout the very people that May and her cronies wouldn't piss on if they were on fire.

People who i work with seem unanimous in their hero worship of this "strong leader" . Well yes she is a strong leader but that does not mean she is a good leader.

Tuition fees
grammar schools
immigration cap
selling off the nhs via the back door
benefits cap
raised taxes for all whilst protecting their own with tax avoidance schemes.


sorry, rant over, i know very little about politics but i know that im worried for the future.

disastrouslee Sun 23-Apr-17 08:51:42

I hear you.

I read somewhere that throughout history the world has followed a sort of "two steps forwards, one step back" pattern in terms of social progression. We are definitely in a one step back period just now.

I've never felt more like getting involved in politics than I do now, so I'd better get off my arse and do something to help. All of us who feel this way should do the same.

megletthesecond Sun 23-Apr-17 08:54:09

I agree. We are behaving like the brat in the playground. It's embarrassing.

We're also being dictated to by the media Barons, Murdoch and Rothmere, who want things their own sweet, tax avoiding way.

KathArtic Sun 23-Apr-17 08:56:38

TRESemme is not unelected.

acquiescence Sun 23-Apr-17 08:58:30

Totally agree, totally feel the same. Sadly she isn't likely to be unelected for long.

DuggeeHugs Sun 23-Apr-17 08:59:20

We are the brat in the playground, but we only think we have the nice sweets. Everyone else has at least got the same sweets or better so can't understand the brattishness. Except America. They don't have the universal healthcare sweet and would like us to throw ours away too.

KellyBoo000 Sun 23-Apr-17 09:00:01

TRESemme is not unelected


I agree that things are shit right now but as someone who works in government and parliament it really irks me when people complain that TM is unelected. She was elected in the same way every other PM has been. She was elected by her constituency as an MP and she was made the party leader by party members. The same as every other PM.

Imbroglio Sun 23-Apr-17 09:00:26

Me too.

It's miserable.

I will be voting and encouraging others to vote but i think turnout will be low, because of a combination of voter fatigue and despondency. It feels like the choice is between a nasty government and complete chaos.

Pinkandwhiteblossoms Sun 23-Apr-17 09:01:52

I think things were becoming a little untenable with regard to immigration to be honest.

I know that's not a popular view on here, and I'm certainly not expressing any sort of personal distaste towards those who aren't British born. I think I would describe my stance as pro immigration but anti uncontrolled immigration.

Ylvamoon Sun 23-Apr-17 09:03:59

TheoriginalLEM- if you don't like what's politically on offer, now is your chance!

TheoriginalLEM Sun 23-Apr-17 09:04:58

imbroglio this is what worries me. The other parties are in disarray and whilst i love J C's ethical stance im not sure hes a strong leader. But then maybe im being fed that by the media.....

I'll be voting labour because my heart tells me to but where i live is as blue as blue can be with a tinge of purple sad

What a fucking mesd

DonaldStott Sun 23-Apr-17 09:06:19

Agree OP. It's depressing.

I've never been patriotic really, and now even less so.

If it wasn't for my family living here, I would quite happily fuck off from this quagmire.

Divide and conquer. All started with Thatcher and now her eggs have hatched.

I can't believe there are working class tories. It fucking beggars belief.

TheoriginalLEM Sun 23-Apr-17 09:06:34

Who is saying that immigration should be uncontrolled? ? not me - but arbitrarily capped? come on!

TheoriginalLEM Sun 23-Apr-17 09:08:17

The Tresseme comment has made me grin though - cheap shitty product dressed up like "salon quality" yep

averylongtimeago Sun 23-Apr-17 09:08:29

May is trying to make this election about brexit- don't be fooled it isn't. It's about giving an increasingly right wing Tory government free reign for the next 5 years.
Do you trust them with the nhs? To provide good education for all? To look after the old, the sick, the disabled and those on low incomes?
Or will they just look after their own?

Livelovebehappy Sun 23-Apr-17 09:09:13

You do understand don't you why local authorities are 'scrimping', and why benefits are being capped, and why our education services and NHS are on their knees? It's due to us embracing the let anyone in immigration policy, whereby we have let thousands of people in over the years without any fore-planning. It doesn't take a genius to realise that if we bring in so many people that we need to build more homes and schools, and plough more into the NHS to accommodate the influx. And who is going to pay for all that? It's not about reducing the numbers of immigrants, but about increasing the quality. I'm afraid, despite people being in denial, that a lot of the problems we have all come back to immigration. And that doesn't make me a racist or a bigot, but a realist.

goodnessidontknow Sun 23-Apr-17 09:09:42

No PM is elected in this country, our system is party based. The Conservatives are our elected government and they chose TM to lead them.

Pinkandwhiteblossoms Sun 23-Apr-17 09:10:18

Sorry, I thought you were referring to our exit from the EU!

I suppose it is like anything else: we've had over a decade of very high migration levels and as a result, the population has surged. As individuals, I know many are settled and happy and making a positive contribution. En masse, the surge in the population has had an impact and I guess I can understand why people wish to lessen that impact.

Knittedfrog Sun 23-Apr-17 09:12:49

I'm right with you LEM. It's a bloody sad place at the moment.

TheoriginalLEM Sun 23-Apr-17 09:14:47

I totally disagree livetobehsppy. Inmigrant workers bring more than they take - that is economic fact. Somewhere there is an official statistic that clarifies this.

A ban on immigration would bring much of British industry to its knees.

But that is the trouble with the "these are my sweets" mentality and only wanting to share with the popular kids.

Imbroglio Sun 23-Apr-17 09:21:24

I suspect that Brexit and general economic mess means unpopular measures are inevitable (eg tax rises) so Theresa is going all out for the mandate to get these things through rather than having to keep backtracking (as with national insurance ).

Pinkandwhiteblossoms Sun 23-Apr-17 09:26:00

It isn't just a question of economy, but space.

I can well believe the economy has benefited, although I think one way large numbers of migrants contribute by and large is by keeping costs down. But there are considerations outside of money.

user1471439240 Sun 23-Apr-17 09:27:22

The tax base in this country was historically borne by 40% of all workers, it is now borne by 20%.
Viz, today, only 2 in 10 people contribute to help others.
The wonder of Gordons magic money tree.

TheoriginalLEM Sun 23-Apr-17 09:29:48

please don't make this about imigration!! you have made your point

Pinkandwhiteblossoms Sun 23-Apr-17 09:34:15

I'm not, LEM, but when someone says we as a nation are like a selfish brat not wishing to share sweets, it was reasomable to assume this referred to policies relating to immigration? But at any rate I don't see the point in sharing my sweets with someone who already has plenty smile Bad for their teeth, you know wink

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