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To think playing with a dead bird is wrong?

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plaintomatopasta Thu 20-Apr-17 17:52:19

So a bit of back story. I'm a teacher and was sent outside to cover a boys pe lesson. They're 14/15yr old and in mainstream education but the bottom set. Whilst outside we were playing a game of softball and the ball went wide so one ran after it and came back with a massive dead seagull. He then proceeded to kick it, chase other students with it and stab a pen through its head.

I shouted at him and tried to get him to leave it alone but he ignored me. I was the only teacher out there and none of the other boys are really trustworthy enough to go get a teacher. They all found it hilarious and encouraged him! I just ended up sending the entire group inside again back to the changing rooms whilst I got the deputy head and he dealt with them.

After the lesson I was really upset and I thought it was really sick and wrong that they found it hilarious. Not a single other teacher or anyone I've spoken to about it saw a problem and generally said "boys will be boys".

AIBU and a bit weird. I actually cried!

steff13 Thu 20-Apr-17 18:08:51

It's really unsanitary. You can get salmonella from handling a dead bird. Gross.

Pinkandwhiteblossoms Thu 20-Apr-17 18:11:29

It's gross. I've seen kids do it. But never brought it into the classroom - yuck!

Floggingmolly Thu 20-Apr-17 18:13:00

Little savages shock. I know it was already dead, but... that's sick.

TheWitTank Thu 20-Apr-17 18:15:04

Absolutely disgusting and I fucking DETEST "boys will be boys". It's not only unsanitary, its weird. What is funny about stabbing a dead bird in the head? I would have flipped.

upperlimit Thu 20-Apr-17 18:15:07

It is grim. I'd heave at the though of all the germs. But, I wouldn't be crying about it either - I don't think it's wrong in a deeply moral way that you seem to be suggesting.

taytopotato Thu 20-Apr-17 18:15:37

It sounds really sick to me- kicking the dead bird and stabbing its head with a pen.

Justmadeperfectflapjacks Thu 20-Apr-17 18:16:29

Serial killer in the making. .
Remember his name now for future newspaper articles. . .
Sick twat.

taytopotato Thu 20-Apr-17 18:18:12

taytopotato Thu 20-Apr-17 18:19:42

You cried because of empathy. That boy who did it does not have it.

Pinkandwhiteblossoms Thu 20-Apr-17 18:20:13

They aren't exactly being cruel to animals though, are they? It's dead. And seagulls aren't for the most part cutesy animals. It sounds like showing off to me. If it had been my class I'd have felt like throwing up, angry and pissed off at being made to cover PE and the boys should absolutely have been punished. But I don't think it's indicative of some sort of psychopathy either.

upperlimit Thu 20-Apr-17 18:21:26

Yeah, hold on, I think I'm going to retract that ... I guess I was thinking as a moral equivalence, is it worse than killing animals for food? But then when I think about how weird it must be to shove a pen into the eye of a dead thing just for sport, yeah, that's wretched.

plaintomatopasta Thu 20-Apr-17 18:22:31

@steff13 I tried telling them it was full of germs and they needed to leave it alone but they laughed.

@Pinkandwhiteblossoms we were outside on the field so they didn't bring it inside thank goodness.

@upperlimit I think I cried because of the fact they thought it was funny and an appropriate thing to do. I also think it's partly because I have only been there a short while and I haven't had anything like that happen (been a teacher since 2007 but left to have a baby).

Thank you @TheWitTank @Floggingmolly @taytopotato Too for thinking its a bit weird. I'd have never found things like that funny when I was their age and if I found out my son had done something like that he would never see the world outside his room for a year!

Pinkandwhiteblossoms Thu 20-Apr-17 18:22:58

He probably wouldn't have done it on his own, it'll have been to show off in front of his mates.

plaintomatopasta Thu 20-Apr-17 18:26:44

@taytopotato I am quite emotional about things and although I know it was dead and a gross seagull it was still a bit upsetting.

Birdsgottaf1y Thu 20-Apr-17 18:26:58

Do you feel the same about mouse and rat trap

Cornettoninja Thu 20-Apr-17 18:27:04

It's a bit lord of the flies isn't it?

I hate to say it but I do think boys are more prone to behaviour like this (testosterone maybe? Dunno) and I doubt the majority of those kids would have initiated that kind of behaviour if your initial coroner hadn't.

I don't think it's necessarily indicative of a psychopath though, some people cut up dead animals/people for a living and are highly regarded. It's not like they took pleasure in violence and killing something.

Yanbu though, it would have really upset me too. I lived in fear of being made to dissect a frog at school - never happened though.

OrangeJulius Thu 20-Apr-17 18:30:07

I don't have a problem with handling dead animals - when I was in primary school, I brought a dead bird in for show and tell, and even now if my cats bring something in I like to inspect it.

However even in primary school I handled dead things with a bit of respect. Not really sure what to make of their behaviour, it's pretty horrible.

Birdsgottaf1y Thu 20-Apr-17 18:30:31

Sorry don't know what happened.

I'm Vegan and don't agree with your attitude, unless it's the lack of respect for what was one a living creature. But if they eat meat then they are used to being a part of animal cruelty senseless killing.

Calling them potential psychopaths is ludicrous.

Floggingmolly Thu 20-Apr-17 18:32:32

They didn't just aim a kick at it as they passed by, though; they stuck a pen through it's head! I'd have been thoroughly sickened too, plaintomato. With your minimising colleagues, also.

taytopotato Thu 20-Apr-17 18:33:19

Plain, I'll be upset too. Even though the bird was dead, for me, it's cruel to kick it and stab it in the head.

GrumpyOldBag Thu 20-Apr-17 18:33:46

It's not the same as with a mouse or rat trap though is it?

Because a normal person wouldn't then go on to mutilate the corpse.

MrsTwix Thu 20-Apr-17 18:33:54

I think it's unpleasant behaviour but not particularly concerning or abnormal. A fair proportion of teenage boys are grim I'm afraid, especially in single sex groups. It's not like they killed it and they are curious and love a bit of gore.

I do think they should be made to apologise to you for upsetting you and for not following your instructions. That to me is the seriously bad behaviour, I don't tolerate defiance or disrespect and that would be the issue for me in this situation.

Whiterabbitears Thu 20-Apr-17 18:42:52

YANBU, it was sick and disrespectful to you for ignoring you. I don't agree that its the same as a mouse in a trap or non vegetarians eating meat because he took pleasure in mutilating something. A dead creature should be revolting to most people so yes its pretty weird and they are old enough to know better. It would have upset me too OP.

claraschu Thu 20-Apr-17 18:49:13


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