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To find the language around the American bombings disgusting?

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msrisotto Fri 14-Apr-17 08:07:55

Trump isn't actually alone in this, but his words are 'the mother of all bombs' and that he is so proud of the military for what they did.

This is vile, no? Whatever your beliefs around whether they should have taken action, it is still a sad, awful thing to kill dozens of people, no? This language sounds celebratory and totally minimising the cost to life, peace etc.

claraschu Fri 14-Apr-17 08:09:33

Horrible, despicable and revolting.
The worst thing I have heard it the whole clip of him talking about his chocolate cake.

ChinUpChestOut Fri 14-Apr-17 08:16:47

I was literally just saying this to DH - I hate the phrase "mother of all bombs" - as though it were something friendly, familiar, comforting. People's lives were lost, and I know the chances are that they were evil bastards, but this is not a cause for celebration.

No more than I expected though from that fuckwit in the White House.

ObviousChild Fri 14-Apr-17 08:17:50

I agree with you. However, 'mother of all bombs' is actually the name of the bomb. He's not JUST being a dick when he says that.

The whole thing is just awful though, and he gives the impression that he's loving it all. I hate the way he slumps over the lectern and narrows his eyes when talking about it. Like he's trying to be all sexy. Spew.

peaceloveandbiscuits Fri 14-Apr-17 08:30:00

He's a spoilt child with the latest video game. Except he's not, which is terrifying.

Debtfairy Fri 14-Apr-17 08:53:14

I for one, feel he's done exactly the right thing. Islamic state is a huge terror threat, all over the world. He's essentially disabled one of their major strong holds. Yes he's a bumbling idiot but the action taken may have stopped a few idiots killing them selves and taking a whole host of innocent people with them.

I know trump isn't popular and I was horrified when he was elected, but on this single instance, I agree it was the correct action.

Amockingjayhey Fri 14-Apr-17 08:55:06

I hate trump.but that's the name of the bomb

scaryteacher Fri 14-Apr-17 08:59:14

The bomb in question is a Massive Ordnance Air Blast, called a Mother Of All Bombs by the military, thus it is a very big bomb. I have no problem with it being dropped....would you have a problem OP had it been Obama who authorised it, or is it just that Trump is now POTUS? Nice to see that he acknowledges the military. Would that we had the same pride in ours.

HappyFlappy Fri 14-Apr-17 08:59:58

I think that to glory in any weapon and destruction is vile.

DevelopingDetritus Fri 14-Apr-17 09:02:48

It's like a bloody game to these sort of people, of course Trump is far from alone in this. I don't believe they have ever experienced the true meaning of loss to be able to make comments like that.

scaryteacher Fri 14-Apr-17 09:10:37

It's not a bloody game Detritus, it's a war, or perhaps that has passed you by? It's not a conventional war against normal state actors, but against an enemy who disregards all the normal laws and conventions of armed combat, and who are brutal and oppressive when they grab power. I know who I'd rather was in charge and it isn't Daesh.

wittyUserNameHere Fri 14-Apr-17 09:13:09

It is a cause for celebration though. Evil murders being killed without endangering those sent to dispatch them (ie dropping a bomb from a big plane) when they were deep underground is excellent news.

I would have felt differently if civilians had been killed in the process or even collateral damage of property but I don't see how this could have been any better and is therefore cause for celebration.

I'm fairly sure that those who were likely targets of those hit by the bomb are celebrating as well they should.

I know it going against the grain to support anything Trump says but hating every single thing he does simply because it's him is ignorant.

Huldra Fri 14-Apr-17 09:17:34

Its called what it's called. I would have sounded better if they"d have called it MOAB, or Massive Ordnance, rather than the nick name.

What worries me was his other language "very very proud". Icouldnt work out if he was speaking like a child or a primary school teacher. At one stage I thought he was going to give everyone a sticker for dropping their Big Bomb, if they drop 10 do they get a lolly?

I would expect a president to be giving a brief factual update. Today we authorised the use of ..... to destroy a tunnel network ..... reports coming in have indicating it to be a success.

UterusUterusGhali Fri 14-Apr-17 09:20:56

Woah, Scary!
Why are you having a go at Detritus?

I agree op. I don't believe they cared where they dropped it either; it's a willy-wanging thing. Do they really know Daesh was there? Do they care?

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer Fri 14-Apr-17 09:29:53

Why is he bombing Afghanistan?

I am going to have to google, no news for a few days and i have no clue whats going on

DevelopingDetritus Fri 14-Apr-17 09:38:42

Thank you Ghali. Hopefully a case of wrong end of the stick.

Or are you a "Scary Teacher" <shudder>

scaryteacher Fri 14-Apr-17 09:38:46

Uterus I am merely mirroring Detritus's language. It isn't a 'game', it's a war, and those who think that those who are tasked with prosecuting the war consider it a 'game', need to give their heads a wobble imo. That also applies to those who think gathering the humint, planning and executing the drop, is willy-wanging.

Sweets101 Fri 14-Apr-17 09:42:39

Who were the casualties?

MovingtoParadise Fri 14-Apr-17 09:43:17

I don't hate the bombing itself, I hate the language around it. The fist pumping, the tweets, the colloquiallisms, the posturing, the threats.

ANY military option should be taken sombrely, with measured tones, seeking and offering talks at all times, with respect even for your evil enemy. To be somber is not weakness. To be measured is strong.

There is no glory in death. The soldiers who have carried this out are not fist pumping or cheering, they are doing their jobs with dignity.

I want our leaders to be fucking dignified and stop pretending this shit is a computer game.

SleepFreeZone Fri 14-Apr-17 09:48:48

I totally agree. I can't stand some of the reported language. It's very goady and vitriolic. I would also much preferred a sombre factual approach.

scaryteacher Fri 14-Apr-17 09:49:49

Detritus Not the wrong end of the stick at all. I'm an HM Forces daughter, wife, sister, daughter in law and aunt, and I teach. Why the shudder? Surely you realise that not all teachers read the Grauniad and that some don't vote Labour or Lib Dem?

We are at war with Daesh and the other variations thereof out there. It is no longer set piece battles, or tanks at dawn, but a newish type of warfare where the old rules no longer apply as the opposition is not a state actor, and is thus not bound by the Geneva Convention or the normal conduct that would apply. Part of deciding to fight in a war means that you might be injured or killed. Those killed in the MOAB strike chose to fight. This was a potential outcome of that decision.

originalbiglymavis Fri 14-Apr-17 09:52:54

So this biggest bomb supposedly killed 30-odd daesh terrorists. No mention of civilian deaths or even damage to camp/tunnels/machinery/transport.

Unless this is a strategically important strike then it's just showing whose got the biggest willy in the playground? All we need is for North Korea to join in.

UncontrolledImmigrant Fri 14-Apr-17 09:55:57

How incredibly lucky then that bombs only ever kill those who signed up to fight in wars


HappyFlappy Fri 14-Apr-17 10:00:59

I well remember the Halcyon days of the US bombing the hell out of Saddam Hussein's forces - all of their technologically superior weaponry etc, and how they were doing so much damage to his arms dumps, communications network, storage depots and so on and so forth . . . and then when the dictator was finally toppled and troops actually went in on the ground, there was hardly any damage at all to these strategic targets. There was a lot of dead people though. But they were foreign, so that's all right. angry

Shakirasma Fri 14-Apr-17 10:01:55

Well said MovingtoParadise

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