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To think that it is a genuine possibility that the Sarin attacks have been falsified by the us to legitimise air strikes

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Beadoren Thu 13-Apr-17 23:12:54

As above really...

Have we been totally conditioned by the media to believe that the uk/us are the good guys and Russia are the bad guys. I think the us have form for things like this, does video constitute proof? All just rings a bit of the whole Iraq war thing. Do they just have different agendas in Syria than Russia?

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer Thu 13-Apr-17 23:17:35

Err no

I think its bollocks

I dont really have anything else to say i am afraid

I think you can't believe everything you see in the media...but i believe it happened and that Assad is to blame

SaucyJack Thu 13-Apr-17 23:17:37

I don't agree with you at all.

I think Assad was the bad guy all along, and the media have been too distracted by the theatrics of ISIS to bother reporting on boring old civil war.

Neither the positions of the U.K., America nor Russia have particularly influenced my view.

RJnomore1 Thu 13-Apr-17 23:20:19

I think it's entirely possible, sorry. Or at least that it didn't happen in anything like the way it's been presented to us.

Remember saddamsxweapons of mass destruction?

And yet we never learn.

Assad isn't the good guy. There are no good guys in what's essentially tribal wars.

user1471517900 Thu 13-Apr-17 23:21:16

So you think that Trump - who's clearly never really cared about anything outside America, and would be 100% happy to only make decisions that affect America- decided to set something up that might break up his love in with Russia and piss off loads of Republicans because....... Erm......

RJnomore1 Thu 13-Apr-17 23:21:36

And again I find myself wondering why we are taking an interest in this over atrocities happening in other countries. Zimbabwe for a start.

alltouchedout Thu 13-Apr-17 23:21:50

No. I think Assad is very capable of doing this and has been allowed to get away with atrocities for so long that he fully expects to get away with this one.

RJnomore1 Thu 13-Apr-17 23:22:50

Because he wanted to be seen to do something and he's feeling emasculated over the health bill etc etc etc. He's an extremely dangerous person to have I such a role. Anyway it's my bedtime! Enjoy the debate.

Beadoren Thu 13-Apr-17 23:23:45

But doesn't it just all seem a bit convenient? I mean one minute trump is saying Syrian regugees have less standing than unborn foetuses and won't accept any to America and the next he is so upset by the war crimes against these people that he decides
To bomb assads government? Doesn't give a shit about all the war crimes over the world (e.g. Congo, Somalia etc) why particularly this government in Syria doing this war crime?

Beadoren Thu 13-Apr-17 23:26:29

TBH I think a lot of it is Trump swinging his Cock around. Potentially has used Russia to get into power and is now trying to show the world and Russia that the us is nobody's bitch. It's warmongering IMHO

Tapandgo Thu 13-Apr-17 23:27:27

If Assad was innocent he'd have said so immediately and opened up the area to UN investigators.
Of course there is always propaganda etc, but reporters have been relaying instances of abuse like this for some time.
The big worry is that we have nut jobs like a Trump in control of the USA and madcap Boris representing us. Putin hasn't covered himself in glory as regards his foreign and domestic policy. How these imbeciles get to the top of the political ladder and seek to lead us is very worrying.

LouiseBrooks Thu 13-Apr-17 23:27:39

Lots of scientists (who have no apparent reason to lie) have said if it was Sarin it is chemically impossible for it to be released by a bombing if it was on the ground. It had to be dropped from the air, therefore it has to be Assad (the rebels don't have an air force).

I believe the scientists, not Assad.

SaucyJack Thu 13-Apr-17 23:31:17

I have no idea what's so special about this particular incident meself. It's not the first time Assad has been alleged to have used sarin on his own people either- the same thing happened in Damascus a few years ago. He's also alleged to have bombed a children's hospital IIRC.

The only difference this time is that the US now has a rabid loony for a president.

Deux Thu 13-Apr-17 23:34:55

Sample size from victims have been analysed and sarin or a sarin type chemical confirmed.

Modern communications and monitoring by the US tracked the plane believed to have been responsible.

The above is an abridged version of what's been written by reliable media.

Assad is doing what abusers do, it's like he's gaslighting and then people start doubting and wondering if he's telling the truth and he becomes the sane one and everyone else crazy.

I'll find a link.

Deux Thu 13-Apr-17 23:37:04

Boomcack Thu 13-Apr-17 23:39:16

I think this is a possibility too, but prepare to be toasted OP grin

Misstic Thu 13-Apr-17 23:47:32

It is not clear who is responsible for the gas attack. I have my doubts that it was Assad.

Beadoren Thu 13-Apr-17 23:47:47

But honestly given the influence the us has over the uk and thus the uk media is it a possibility that we are hearing a very biased story?

I'm not saying Assad is perfect but The US is a v powerful nation with the potential to spin the facts to its advantage/agenda, and therefore should we be questioning the 'facts' that we are being told by the US governent?

Misstic Thu 13-Apr-17 23:48:49

I agree. I believe we are being misled.

Galla Thu 13-Apr-17 23:53:23

Could it be a chemical attack, but not necessarily Assad's doing?
I agree with OP, it does appear to be all terribly convenient timelines wise. Trump ready to show off his military progress, and Afghanistan today.

Deux Fri 14-Apr-17 00:07:58

The thing is Assad took a week to deny. This is considered to be too long a lapse for a genuinely wrongly accused aggressor.

Unless he confirms it, or evidence to the contrary, the best that anyone can say is that pointing the finger at Assad is "credible". No one has said it was 100% him, just credible.

KellysZeros Fri 14-Apr-17 06:40:13

YABU. I wonder where you got this idea from? RT? Something somebody shared on Facebook? I think you might need to think about this a bit more critically

FairytalesAreBullshit Fri 14-Apr-17 06:42:20

They said somewhere that Russia bombed the hospital to destroy evidence. It's really hard who to believe, seeing as the US appear to like conflict in the East.

From what I gather, Syria is totally wrecked which is so sad.

Iwasjustabouttosaythat Fri 14-Apr-17 06:55:46

YABU. Assad has done this before. No doubt Trump's reaction to it is a PR stunt of some kind, but there is no reason on Earth to think it's not true.

CaoNiMartacus Fri 14-Apr-17 07:27:39

I agree, OP. It certainly wouldn't be the first false-flag operation in world history.

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