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'There is no need for feminism in first world countries because females are no longer oppressed...'

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TinyRick Fri 07-Apr-17 11:52:09

And apparently we have 'more rights than men now'.

One example of many - http://www.debate.org/opinions/women-are-not-oppressed-in-first-world-countries

I was going to post this on the Feminism boards but I have heard this from females too so thought I would post here to see views from those who do think this and agree with it.

I'm on a social media site and this comes up quite often. Yes, quite presumably from young males but I have also read about the 'Red Pill' and the 'MGTOW' movements which are mostly populated by the older males.

Aibu to think that Feminism in the first world is still needed and as relevant as ever? And amongst our 'luxuries' we are still the oppressed class?

TinyRick Fri 07-Apr-17 11:52:42

www.debate.org/opinions/women-are-not-oppressed-in-first-world-countries

MaidOfStars Fri 07-Apr-17 11:54:18

In my career, the pay gap between males and females is 10%. Not saying that this is the most important type of oppression but it's enough to illustrate that feminism is still required.

glenthebattleostrich Fri 07-Apr-17 11:57:37

I was in burger king recently and there were 2 toilets. One open male and a locked disabled / women's. The Barbican has recently changed its toilets from male / female to male / gender neutral.

So i can't even go for a pee / clean up unexpectedly flooding with period blood in a woman only space.

Girls are skipping school because they can't afford sanpro in the nearest city to me.

A woman recently was turned away from an office job because she wasn't wearing heels.

I do have to take my hat off to the MRAs they have done one hell of a number on women especially if they are believing this shit.

HalfShellHero Fri 07-Apr-17 11:58:44

Just posted a thread about the so called tax credit rape clause, angry
..we certainly do OP.

lionsleepstonight Fri 07-Apr-17 12:01:23

"Legs-it"

Say no more.

Ipigglemustdie Fri 07-Apr-17 12:04:16

Think people are just starting to get a bit bored of feminists whinging about high heels at work and the non existent pay gap. While women outside of first world countries have it a million times worse.
Too many fake feminists that only seems to care about what immediately affects them. runs away

BeyondUser24601 Fri 07-Apr-17 12:04:40

I probably thought there was no need for feminism in the "first world" (I didn't really think about it) til I had children.

That was the eye opening thing for me, so I understand how those who haven't seen it can have selective blindness.

Cocklodger Fri 07-Apr-17 12:04:55

We do need feminism..
Arguably its more relevant than ever.
In some cases, I'd say we have plenty of rights, but whats the point of that if you're prevented from exercising them due to
stigma
outright discrimination
the attitudes of others??
My younger sister who is nearly 18 reported a man to the police for sexual assault. He had cat called her from his van, then when she sat at the bus stop got out and tried to pick her up, force his hands down her pants and kiss her despite her protesting and trying to kick him off. According to some members(male and female) of our family it was ''just a bit of fun that got a little too rowdy'' and the guy doesn't need punishing.
My sister had the right to report him, but she doesn't have the right to not be berated for that.
There is lots and lots and lots of work to be done

Obsidian77 Fri 07-Apr-17 12:05:42

If something isn't needed, it will become obsolete. The fact that some people are so hostile to the very concept of equality suggests to me that feminism is very much needed.

BarbaraofSeville Fri 07-Apr-17 12:06:37

There is no access to abortion in some 'first world' countries, eg Ireland, Isle of Man.

Many men have been allowed to father and abandon children with little consequence while women have been left quite literally holding the baby.

Caring for children and elderly/infirm relatives and housework is still seen as 'women's work' by many. Likewise for all the myriad of 'organising' remembering birthdays etc.

Low level sexism is still rife and anyone who challenges it is told to 'lighten up'. Recent threads on here illustrating sexist behaviour by women included how women must wear something new at each formal occasion they attend while it is fine for a man to always wear the same suit or how the woman should be responsible for remembering her DHs relatives birthdays and shopping for cards and presents 'because women are better at it and enjoy it more' hmm

We may not have to worry about being raped and then charged with adultery because we go out in public without a male relative but I don't think that translates into Feminism's Work Is Done and just because in theory, the law requires women to not be discriminated against, doesn't mean that is the reality at all.

BertrandRussell Fri 07-Apr-17 12:06:59

"Too many fake feminists that only seems to care about what immediately affects them. runs away"

Out of interest, why run away? Do you feel your position isn't defendable?

GahBuggerit Fri 07-Apr-17 12:08:48

Women are undergoing the biggest most prolific attack on our rights in recent years and were apparently no longer oppressed?

Mind you i guess its not oppression in the real sense of the word, it's a full blown invasion.

NotCarylChurchill Fri 07-Apr-17 12:09:23

The pay gap still very much exists.

Obsidian77 Fri 07-Apr-17 12:09:50

"the non-existent pay gap"
Evidence for this please?

honeylulu Fri 07-Apr-17 12:11:27

I think there is still a lot of discrimination against females. Less than there used to be (good) but it's taken centuries to get this far and will take centuries more. Accepting that there has been good progress is no reason to stop.
I don't think men always have a good deal though deal though either. Look at the statistics of the young men killing themselves every year.
I have a son and a daughter and wish for equality for them both.

GahBuggerit Fri 07-Apr-17 12:12:13

If the pay gap doesn't exist why are companies employing more than 250 people forced to now publish salary details?

Cocklodger Fri 07-Apr-17 12:12:30

You can fight for the rights of men and for women at the same time honeylulu

honeylulu Fri 07-Apr-17 12:14:03

Yes Cocklodger and I do!
Just throwing another point into the pot.

witsender Fri 07-Apr-17 12:15:20

Hahahaha!

What a joke.

GahBuggerit Fri 07-Apr-17 12:16:00

Bit of a moot point though considering the statement is about females, no?

VestalVirgin Fri 07-Apr-17 12:16:25

I've met a man who said that he saw the need for feminism in countries such as Afghanistan, but not here.

He turned out to be one of the most sexist twats I have ever had the misfortune of talking to.

So there is that.

Such men are quite happy that men in other countries are worse than them, so that their own shittyness is not quite so obvious. They have, obviously, no interest at all in those countries actually changing.

Lweji Fri 07-Apr-17 12:16:40

It's often the very last steps that are the hardest. Because it's so much more difficult to justify any action and rally people.

But, sexist attitudes still exist, domestic violence still exists, sexual harassment still exists.

Whatever has been gained by women in some countries can quickly be lost again.

RaeSkywalker Fri 07-Apr-17 12:19:08

We need feminism more than ever:

- rape culture.
- rights to abortion being attacked.
- there is still a pay gap.
- there are still low numbers of female MPs in comparison to males. Less women on boards, etc.
- the rise of eating disorders.
- and other issues, like the pink explosion in 'girls' toys. Girly glue, etc.
- Ensuring that maternity rights are protected post-Brexit.

sonyaya Fri 07-Apr-17 12:19:25

Many of the problems faced by women in this country are dwarfed when compared with women in developing nations. That doesn't mean women in this problem don't face problems. They fucking do, and we very much still need feminism.

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