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To be heartbroken over Michael Jackson's death still

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brexitstolemyfuture Thu 06-Apr-17 13:44:18

All this kardashian nonsense about pepsi and boycotts saying how awful they are. But i still boycott them because of the injory mj had while filming an advert that most probably started his drug and surgery addictions.

It's just all so sad, an abusive father, drug dependancy, body mh issues, corporate greed and the loss of such a talented performer sad

LookAtTheFlowersKerry Thu 06-Apr-17 13:47:09

He was a paedophile and a baby stealer so, er, YABU.

EdmundCleverClogs Thu 06-Apr-17 13:47:34

Umm... what? Plus, he wasn't exactly a saint of a person was he.

AtrociousCircumstance Thu 06-Apr-17 13:48:43

Love your name OP. Feel the same way about Brexit.

But no - M Jackson was a paedophile and had a repulsive stash of torture and abuse porn. I can't even listen to his music any more.

Onlyaplasticbagdear Thu 06-Apr-17 13:48:56

Do you feel devastated regarding the deaths of other paedophiles OP?

SwedishEdith Thu 06-Apr-17 13:49:33

Er, I think this might be one of those unanimous yabus.

BeeFarseer Thu 06-Apr-17 13:50:09

Erm.

shirleycartersaidso Thu 06-Apr-17 13:50:18

Eh? Yes YABU.

HaveCourageAndBeKind Thu 06-Apr-17 13:50:25

Wtf? No, I tend not to mourn paedophiles. hmm

DonaldStott Thu 06-Apr-17 13:50:47

YABU

squoosh Thu 06-Apr-17 13:51:13

I’ve long noticed that Michael Jackson fans are a very erm, devoted bunch. So you’ll probably find that You Are Not Alone. So I’m not going to say Beat It or YABU.

lemondriftwood Thu 06-Apr-17 13:51:26

I thought he wasn't a paedophile.

I still think mourning his death eight years in is strange

brexitstolemyfuture Thu 06-Apr-17 13:52:05

This is the statement from his family, don't believe all the daily mail and other click bait stuff out there!

The Estate of Michael Jackson released the following statement to the media:

Seven years ago this coming Saturday, the world lost an amazing artist and humanitarian devoted to helping children in need in all corners of the world. Michael Jackson’s fans, including the Executors of his estate, prefer to remember the wonderful gifts Michael left behind instead of having to once again see his good name dragged through the mud by tabloid trash.

Everything in these reports, including what the County of Santa Barbara calls “content that appears to be obtained off the Internet or through unknown sources” is false, no doubt timed to the anniversary of Michael’s passing. Those who continue to shamelessly exploit Michael via sleazy internet “click bait” ignore that he was acquitted by a jury in 2005 on every one of the 14 salacious charges brought against him in a failed witch hunt.

Michael remains just as innocent of these smears in death as he was in life even though he isn’t here to defend himself. Enough is enough

DonaldStott Thu 06-Apr-17 13:52:57

Oh he wasn't a paedophile. He was found not guilty - is what all his fans will say that seem blind to his erm 'faults'.

Yes, it's completely normal to pay a gazillion pound to settle out of court when you're innocent.

OrangeIsTheNewPop Thu 06-Apr-17 13:53:32

Did it get proven then? <thick and in the dark emoticon>.

Redglitter Thu 06-Apr-17 13:53:46

Yeah well his family are hardly going to say anything else are they. Not exactly unbiased

brexitstolemyfuture Thu 06-Apr-17 13:55:17

So someone is guilty even though all court cases have found him innocent, because you read something on the daily mail or buzz feed hmm

lemondriftwood Thu 06-Apr-17 13:55:50

It wasn't seven years ago anyway, it was eight.

FirstSeemItThenBeIt Thu 06-Apr-17 13:56:39

I thought he was bloody awful; all that weird yelping in between lyrics confused

So YABU. grin

SushiMash Thu 06-Apr-17 13:56:45

He was a paedophile. I'm glad he's dead. So yes YABU, HTH.

floraeasy Thu 06-Apr-17 13:57:14

Accusations against Michael Jackson and settlement[edit]
In 1993, Chandler accused Michael Jackson of molesting Chandler's son Jordan after his son told him of the allegations while under the influence of sodium amytal during a routine dental procedure.[7] At the time, Chandler was in the midst of a custody battle for the boy with his ex-wife, June Chandler-Schwartz. The 1993 molestation case ended after Jackson reached a settlement with Chandler for a reported U.S. $22 million,[8][9] although this amount was never confirmed by Jackson and no formal charges were brought after two independent grand juries decided not to indict the pop star.[10][11]

Court documents released in 2002 revealed the settlement was actually $15 million[12] and that Jackson's insurance carrier paid it without his consent, admitting only to "global claims of negligence" and stated, "The Parties recognize that the Settlement Payment are in settlement of claims by [Jordan Chandler], [Evan Chandler] and [June Chandler] for alleged compensatory damages for alleged personal injuries arising out of claims of negligence and not for claims of intentional or wrongful acts of sexual molestation". The document also stated Jordan was not prevented from testifying against Jackson if the case was tried in criminal court, but specified that the Chandlers could not speak to the media, contrary to reports insisting the settlement halted a criminal proceeding.

During the 1993 investigation, Jackson's hired private investigator Anthony Pellicano released a recorded telephone conversation between Chandler and Dave Schwartz, the new husband of his ex-wife, June, and stepfather to Jordan. Jackson's defense cited this tape as proof that Chandler's allegations were nothing but an attempt to extort money from the star and regain custody of Jordan, especially considering Chandler was more than $60,000 behind child support payments and had already approached Jackson several times asking for money. Chandler was recorded saying, "If I go through with this, I win big time. There’s no way that I lose. I’ve checked that out inside out...I will get everything I want, and they will be totally — they will be destroyed forever. They will be destroyed. June is gonna lose Jordy. She will have no right to ever see him again." This phone call took place on July 8; Evan would claim Jordan had confessed the abuse to him on July 16.

Following the settlement, Chandler had multiple plastic surgeries to mask his identity as he claimed abuse and harassment from angry Jackson fans.[13]

According to a USA Today article written by journalist DeWayne Wickham, in 1996, Chandler attempted to sue Jackson a second time, citing the star's HiStory album as a breach of their confidentiality agreement.

It is also believed[by whom?] he is the ghostwriter of All that Glitters, a book about the allegations written by his brother Raymond that was released in 2004 following a new set of molestation accusations against Jackson.

It was revealed by June Chandler-Schwartz during Jackson's 2005 trial that her son, who, according to his uncle, fled the country to avoid testifying against Jackson, had filed for legal emancipation from his parents and had no contact with his mother since 1994.[14][15] In 2006, court documents filed in the state of New Jersey revealed that Evan Chandler was sued by Jordan after he nearly killed him with a barbell and mace in August 2005.[16] Jordan obtained a permanent restraining order against his father as a result.

Death[edit]

Chandler's residence Liberty View Towers (towers to the left), where he lived until his death in 2009 in Jersey City, NJ.
Evan Chandler committed suicide (via self-inflicted gunshot) on November 5, 2009, in his luxury apartment in Jersey City, New Jersey, four months and eleven days after the death of Michael Jackson. He was 65 years old when he died.[17]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Chandler

EdmundCleverClogs Thu 06-Apr-17 13:57:47

brexitstolemyfuture I don't believe the daily mail, never read it. Though find it somewhat ironic you're telling people what to believe when you yourself obviously believe what his Estate have to say without doubt hmm. I'm sorry you cannot accept your idol wasn't a good person. It's hard when you just want to think the best of someone.

tabulahrasa Thu 06-Apr-17 13:57:50

Leaving aside whether he was a decent person or not.

It's been 8 years and he's not even someone you actually knew personally...is heartbroken not a bit strong?

sonlypuppyfat Thu 06-Apr-17 13:57:55

Save your pity and sympathy for those that deserve it. He was an amazing performer , but that's all

SheSaidHeSaid Thu 06-Apr-17 13:57:58

YABU.

He was a paedophile and an animal abuser, - I don't care what his whacko fans want to believe to make themselves feel better about idolising someone evil.

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