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Aibu to think that is totally unacceptable

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doublesnap Tue 21-Mar-17 19:31:18

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39337805

Why is it ok for a convicted rapist to be moved to a women only prison because they are transgender? It's a total lack of respect for women that have been subjected to rape.

AyeAmarok Tue 21-Mar-17 19:32:28

Because the needs of women matter less than the wants of men.

Areyoufree Tue 21-Mar-17 19:53:14

Oh my god, people can be transgender? Why haven't I seen this on mumsnet before?!?

FeliciaJollygoodfellow Tue 21-Mar-17 19:57:00

Oh my god, a man with a history of attacks against women is housed with women who are unable to get away?!?!

Rape apologist. To be clear, are you free,
I'm talking about you.

Areyoufree Tue 21-Mar-17 19:59:56

I'm a rape apologist? That's awesome! I shall get some new business cards printed immediately.

However, before I do, I should probably point out that I was commenting on the veritable plethora of transgender threads that appear to be on this forum at the moment, rather than on the actual story itself.

FeliciaJollygoodfellow Tue 21-Mar-17 20:04:26

Oh ok, so to be clear then, the important part is the transgender part not the rapist part? Because that's what it appears.

And yeah, there's loads of trans threads on here. It's topical.

Awwlookatmybabyspider Tue 21-Mar-17 20:05:36

YANBU.
He says. He was getting a hard time because of his sexuality.
No he was getting a hard time because he's a dirty disgusting rapist.

SoulAccount Tue 21-Mar-17 20:11:15

This is exactly the sort of situation that creates complexity around the trans issue. This is a current news story about a serious criminal. Why make sarky comments about other threads?

I have sympathy with trans people and believe in freedom from discrimination. But the idea that women now have to endure a rapist amongst them because he (as he was then) was suffering bad treatment from other men is very skewed.

Female Cell mates will be locked up with a person who committed rape against a woman?

That cannot be right.

counterpoint Tue 21-Mar-17 20:11:44

There was more debate and legislation about the dangers of transgenic plants than there has been about these wannabe women.

IamFriedSpam Tue 21-Mar-17 20:12:50

Oh my god, people can be transgender? Why haven't I seen this on mumsnet before?!?

This a thousand times. Can there not be a special topic for people to express their horror about trans people.

SilentlyScreamingAgain Tue 21-Mar-17 20:13:36

If half of what I read on MN is true, nearly everyone in female prisons is a trans sex offender, so fair play to the prison authority for keeping a lid on things.

ZilphasHatpin Tue 21-Mar-17 20:13:42

I would be interested in seeing the statistics that show all the male convicts who have transitioned whilst in prison and requested to be transferred to a women's prison alongside the crime they were convicted for.

I'm willing to bet my house that they are overwhelmingly made up of rapists/sexual abusers.

ZilphasHatpin Tue 21-Mar-17 20:16:39

And these arseholes are doing far more damage to the movement for people who are actually trans. These people are not trans. They are manipulating and exploiting legislation to get access to vulnerable people to continue their abuse.

originalbiglymavis Tue 21-Mar-17 20:16:50

Why not put them in confinement in the mail jail? I assume they won't be put in a cell with woman.

originalbiglymavis Tue 21-Mar-17 20:18:10

Male, mail, oh dear.

napmeistergeneral Tue 21-Mar-17 20:18:16

I always wonder why is it okay to have endless threads about parking (not a women's issue) but threads about the intersection between trans rights and women's rights, and the difficulties and questions and challenges that intersection prevents, are always met with "ffs not another bloody trans thread". This is a topic which is relevant and important to women's rights, whichever side of the fence you stand. If you don't want to read them, don't click on them.

ZilphasHatpin Tue 21-Mar-17 20:19:58

Agree nap

I often wonder what planet people who post the "this again?" Comments are on. Yes, this again, because it's still an issue.

Areyoufree Tue 21-Mar-17 20:21:20

In my defence, it didn't actually say it was a trans thread in the title.

I don't read the parking threads, either.

ZilphasHatpin Tue 21-Mar-17 20:22:45

I don't read the parking threads, either.

Oh you should!! Much fun grin

PippaPepperpot Tue 21-Mar-17 20:25:50

Who's 'expressing horror about trans people' Fried? This thread is about expressing horror at a male bodied offender being housed with females because of his feelings. That is bloody horrific and i can't believe it's happening.

FeliciaJollygoodfellow Tue 21-Mar-17 20:28:20

Iamfriedspam - so the important thing to you is that this person is transgender, not that they're a rapist?

SecretNutellaFix Tue 21-Mar-17 20:31:52

A man who has raped women with their penis should never EVER be housed in close quarters with women even if he has had the relevant parts removed. He is still a violent male offender.

VestalVirgin Tue 21-Mar-17 20:37:08

Why is it ok for a convicted rapist to be moved to a women only prison because they are transgender? It's a total lack of respect for women that have been subjected to rape.

And a total lack of respect for all the women who are imprisoned with the rapist and whom he will likely rape, too.

Seriously, how could anyone think this a good idea?

(And I agree with Secret, even if a rapist had his penis removed, he is still a danger.)

If half of what I read on MN is true, nearly everyone in female prisons is a trans sex offender, so fair play to the prison authority for keeping a lid on things.

Considering that women are much less likely to be criminal than men ... yes, it is quite likely that we are rapidly approaching a point at which the majority of prisoners in women's prisons are trans sex offenders. Transwomen who are not sex offenders would not want to make women uncomfortable by demanding access to the women's prison, after all.

AHedgehogCanNeverBeBuggered Tue 21-Mar-17 20:39:35

What Nutella said. This is horrific. sad

CaoNiMartacus Tue 21-Mar-17 20:43:50

The reason there are so many threads on transgender issue is that it's a HUGE FUCKING DEAL that women's rights are being threatened. Sorry if it isn't all pushchair battles and parking wars and Boden jackets, FFS.

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