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To think this is another new evil low of the tories

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seagazer Sat 04-Mar-17 10:38:53
But on the other hand corporation tax is being lowered. angry

ilovesooty Sat 04-Mar-17 10:41:45

It isn't new. It's Osborne's legacy and something that they were forced to abandon previously . I think the government is hoping that with so much other stuff going on they can bury this.

seagazer Sat 04-Mar-17 10:52:16

It's unbelievable that they'd consider doing this, i've never known as many homeless on the streets as there are now. I hope this plan backfires on them in a massive way.

Sweets101 Sat 04-Mar-17 10:55:57

It's fucking ridiculous, it shouldn't be allowed to go through. But, most 18-21 yr Olds who need this support are unlikely to have a lot of support in their lives, so whose going to kick up a fuss about it for them? It's an easy group for them to target so they have. It's sickening.

StumblyMonkey Sat 04-Mar-17 11:05:32

I think this is awful. Those living away from home at this age (and not at uni, etc) are likely to be in a very vulnerable situation, possibly escaping abuse and possibly with mental health issues.

I have never been active in politics before but the Tories have motivated me to sign up to the Lib Dems (since Labour are in disarray).

Becca19962014 Sat 04-Mar-17 11:13:22

Actually it's 18-25s who aren't allowed housing benefit under universal credit. It's already been rolled out in my county to that group and housing benefit is zero. I know people who are effected by it and are over 21 - the advice being get a job or go back to your parents (and if you cannot go back to parents you must provide proof and evidence of why not).

There are a lot of nasties in universal credit which people are burying their heads in the sand over and will get a very nasty shock when it begins to apply to them - especially disabled people.

Sweets101 Sat 04-Mar-17 11:15:22

There are a lot of nasties in universal credit which people are burying their heads in the sand over
Completely agree.

Becca19962014 Sat 04-Mar-17 11:15:37

25-35 people get enough for a room in a shared house, after 35 a flat. It's rediculous, it wasn't ever blocked under universal credit - only under the previous benefit claims. Sneaky bastards.

Becca19962014 Sat 04-Mar-17 11:17:39

My comment about people burying their heads in the sand was more blunt than I intended, but there are a lot of things that people think the tories backed down over but exist in universal credit, which was buried under a lot of spin at the time.

Sweets101 Sat 04-Mar-17 11:21:23

No it wasn't blunt, fairly accurate. They are targeting the easy targets

SukeyTakeItOffAgain Sat 04-Mar-17 11:35:53

I was introduced to our Tory MP at a do last night. He was new in 2015 and has voted for every single one of their proposals since then. In the meantime he is concerning himself with trying to propose a bill to cull herring gulls.

Priorities, priorities...

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Sat 04-Mar-17 11:43:50

I thought this was going to be about them reducing Bereavement Benefit

Sweets101 Sat 04-Mar-17 11:50:52

The bereavement benefit was posted about not long ago, a lot of people were in favour.

seagazer Sat 04-Mar-17 12:17:11

Referring to the bereavment link above...."A Conservative minister has defended a decision to reduce benefits paid to widows and widowers with young children by claiming the old system risked stopping people from “readjusting” to life as a single parent"
By that token then why not you tories have your very very generous "expenses" allowance reduced so it won't be too hard to "readjust" to the real world when you leave politics. What a bunch of greedy hypocritical fuckers.

DJBaggySmalls Sat 04-Mar-17 12:22:49

The reason this was vetoed before was because of young people leaving care. I dont know how they can sleep at night.

LoisWilkersonsLastNerve Sat 04-Mar-17 12:23:08

Absolutely bastards angry

LoisWilkersonsLastNerve Sat 04-Mar-17 12:23:37

And those who vote for them too.

DJBaggySmalls Sat 04-Mar-17 12:30:30

And those who vote for them too.

Couldnt agree more. I am so sick of seeing people twitter 'O but I didnt vote for this!' Yes you absolutely did.

ThoraGruntwhistle Sat 04-Mar-17 12:39:46

It baffles me how ordinary people of working age can still say they're intending to vote for them. It is abundantly clear that they will only do things that benefit rich people and pensioners, because they don't want to lose those votes. But people on average salaries, young people, people who claim any kind of benefits (including tax credits), disabled people, anyone who can't afford to pay for private healthcare, parents etc.. how can they think continuing to vote for this shower of arseholes is the best option for them? I get that Labour are in a shambles but keeping the Tories in for the next X number of years....I don't get it. And yet you see voting intention polls and it's 42% Conservative. confused

OvariesBeforeBrovaries Sat 04-Mar-17 12:43:50

Ugh the "I didn't vote for this!" deflections angry

If you voted for the Tories, you voted to strip the most vulnerable members of society of the help they desperately need, with no plan in place to help them improve their situation. This is what you voted for.

makeourfuture Sat 04-Mar-17 12:44:26

And those who vote for them too.


Sweets101 Sat 04-Mar-17 12:53:08

People have bought into the party line and believe they and those they care about won't be effected. Or maybe if they are they think that's OK as they are part of the 'undeserving' too. A lot of people just don't care.

Astro55 Sat 04-Mar-17 12:53:14

The main reason they target the young is because the young don't vote! They are not the audience the politicians - they want to keep 'their' voters happy - older generation.

Nothing will change until they step up and be heard - all of them - weathers that's university fees /training / housing or any other list of requirements

I don't agree with this policy - but you need to get them to vote - loud and clear

GraceGrape Sat 04-Mar-17 12:56:20

Unfortunately, the majority of young people who need this benefit will be seen by most Tory voters as "feckless scroungers" so they won't give a toss.

HelenaDove Sat 04-Mar-17 14:12:34

Im sickened that they are going ahead with this. I live in a small town and the amount of homeless ppl on the street is increasing.

Thora there is a clause in Universal Credit that affects age gap pensioner couples. Im 23 years younger than DH and for the purpose of UC he will be classed as working age until he is 90 because you both have to be over pension age.

They are also starting to transfer the over 65s from DLA over to PIP.

But im sure the MN myth that pensioners are being left alone will keep being repeated on threads for some time to come yet.

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