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to think under these new rules no one will qualify for PIP .....the replacement for DLA.

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HelenaDove Fri 24-Feb-17 22:14:59

Looks like the ruling has been created retrospectively in a hurry.....a bit like they did with workfare.

People with epilepsy and dementia arent going to qualify Utterly disgusting.

ZackyVengeance Fri 24-Feb-17 22:22:37

Not surprised

helpimitchy Fri 24-Feb-17 22:28:49

This should be interesting, because the people that I care for who have a learning disability would absolutely be unable to do any work of any kind whatsoever confused

I wonder who actually will manage to qualify.

HelenaDove Fri 24-Feb-17 22:29:05

Neither am i Zak tbh.

Its still horrifying and bloody scary.

Voice0fReason Fri 24-Feb-17 22:29:14

It's going to affect huge numbers of people. Those with autism, severe mental health issues, learning disabilities etc
It is an utter disgrace - more picking on the most vulnerable in society.

helpimitchy Fri 24-Feb-17 22:30:34

Do they want everybody on Jobseeker's Allowance then? How are disabled and poorly people going to be able to pay for the care they need?

ZackyVengeance Fri 24-Feb-17 22:33:30

My dc is soo disabled that they will never ever work, they need help with everything. They cant walk talk
So if they dont get it then the system is beyond broken.
I dont click links or read the stuff as it scares me too much.
But i knew the moment the election results came in that people like them would suffer.
You only have to look at the shortfall in adult social care.

HelenaDove Fri 24-Feb-17 22:33:58

Heres a thought...............If ppl apply for PIP and fail the medical appeal etc and are officially told they dont have any care needs then surely any family carer who says they cant or wont do any more caring cant be prosecuted for neglect by the system when the same system has said the disabled person DOESNT have any care needs.

Not that im saying any carer would do this but as ive demonstrated in this post this could have the potential to get very interesting.

No one can be accused of "granny dumping" if Granny has been told that she hasnt got any care needs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pettywoman Fri 24-Feb-17 22:37:20

It's utterly disgusting. I'm ashamed to live in a country that thinks this is acceptable.

helpimitchy Fri 24-Feb-17 22:38:56

It's like watching a slow motion multiple car crash. I simply can't comprehend how they think someone with dementia, learning disabilities etc. can care for themselves and get a job.

tallwivglasses Fri 24-Feb-17 22:39:19

More people will die. It hasn't bothered them so far. It's almost as if they want us, surely not

ClashCityRocker Fri 24-Feb-17 22:39:53

Am I understanding correctly that those who are physically capable of achieving the things set out for the mobility points system but cannot do so for non-physical reasons (for want of a better word) such as epilepsy, mental health or learning difficulty they would be denied the motibility componement?

It's fucking disgraceful.

HelenaDove Fri 24-Feb-17 22:40:21

Im sorry Zac thanks

It was my DH who found the article online this afternoon. He is 67 next month and has been "invited" to apply for PIP as they are stopping DLA.

It has completely put him off even sending the form back. He has arthritis ischemic heart disease and COPD.

ZackyVengeance Fri 24-Feb-17 22:40:26

The thing is, watch and see how many people post on this thread.
Then compare it to how many people post on a thread on high earners loosing cb.
Or cuts to childrens services
Or anything
This will be the one with the least supportive posts

UnbornMortificado Fri 24-Feb-17 22:41:26

That is disgraceful angry

helpimitchy Fri 24-Feb-17 22:41:33

Will there still be Attendance Allowance?

HelenaDove Fri 24-Feb-17 22:42:44

YY Zac And thread will move a lot slower too.

RJnomore1 Fri 24-Feb-17 22:42:47

Not that this makes it any better but pip and dla are not means tested so not a replacement for job seekers.

But they do keep a lot of people with disabilities in jobs.

HelenaDove Fri 24-Feb-17 22:43:55

helpimitcy there is a plan for councils to administer AA.

RJnomore1 Fri 24-Feb-17 22:44:13

Sorry I really didn't mean that to be insuppportive, reassuring rather that it wasn't booting people off means tested benefits.

But the thin edge of the wedge came with removing child benefit from those on s certain salary - so it was them and us.

Mehfruittea Fri 24-Feb-17 22:45:03

HelenaDove Your logic is reasonable but this scenario already exists with ESA. An employer can terminate a disabled employee's contract if they can no longer perform their duties and work due to their disability. The very same person who has been deemed unfit to work, usually by an occupational health doctor, can then undergo an assessment for ESA and fail. They will be found fit for work and have to claim JSA, even though medical professionals have reviewed them and decided they are so sick their employment should be terminated.

It's disgusting that these two decisions can co-exist and leave vulnerable sick disabled people trapped between the cracks of a broken system.

PickAChew Fri 24-Feb-17 22:45:28

PIP is not an out of work benefit.

Shall read on, though.

helpimitchy Fri 24-Feb-17 22:46:56

I think they want a large section of the population to die off. The health service is crumbling and people are struggling to access healthcare.

Soon, the only people who will be able to make it will be higher earners and people who haven't yet become sick - although, illness can affect anyone obviously.

I'm also wondering if their policies will have the effect of forcing parents and carers to stop treatments for their family members (young and old) and will just have to let them die confused

Damned sinister.

ZackyVengeance Fri 24-Feb-17 22:47:13

Can i just rant on here , ignore this as nothing to do with subject,
The councils are all screaming about a shortfall in adult social care funding.
Well my adult dd is in a position where they have to make a contribution from their esa
The last bill we had was on july... so that is months of money they have not collected.
Times that by all the other people they have not sent bills too..
Crazy, i am having to chase them to pay the money
Rant over

AndNowItsSeven Fri 24-Feb-17 22:47:14

The AA plan was scrapped thankfully.

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