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to wonder how a diet low in yeast can cure thrush

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stubbornstains Fri 24-Feb-17 13:35:52

So, I'm currently suffering from feral fanjo fauna, and trying to nuke them with Canesten. I've been looking at old threads about thrush on MN, and notice that a lot of posters recommend a diet that cuts out (are you ready for this?) bread, all alcohol, all sugar, all dairy (don't know why dairy- in for a penny in for a pound I suppose) , mushrooms, Marmite, and anything else containing yeast. So. Leaving aside the fact I'd probably rather have thrush than give up all that lot, how would it work? Taking bread as an example: yes, it's made with yeast. But when you bake it, you kill the yeast. Then you eat it, and it goes into your stomach, which is full of hydrochloric acid, presumably killing any yeast organisms which may be alive within (although thinking about it, obviously stomach acids don't kill all organisms, otherwise how would anybody get food poisoning?). So.....is there any science backing up this type of diet, or is it all bolleaux?

Ampersand22 Fri 24-Feb-17 13:59:04

It's not bolleaux unfortunately. I've had to give up all the above and it's not fun. If you're having recurring thrush it could be because the yeast (candida) has got out of hand and has led to Candida Albicans Overgrowth. This happens after a course of antibiotics, or stress, or a diet high in carbohydrates and sugar. CAB if left untreated will spread to all major organs, causes 'leaky gut' where undigested food leaks into your bloodstream and poisons you and eventually could lead to cancer. Very serious, please take it seriously.

Get a stool sample from the doctor to see what's happening. Once you have an overgrowth the candida can change at will from its yeast form to a fungal form and back again.

I went down the natural route with diet, taking raw apple cider vinegar, taking a probiotic and antifungals. I've also had success with colloidal silver which cleanses the body of pathogens (immediately, and with terrifying diarrhea like I've never known). I feel like a millions bucks now though. This thing has been eating at me since I was 15, I believe. I'm 43 now.

Before doing any kind of diet please take a liver-protecting supplement like Milk Thistle. Once you start starving candida of its food (sugar) you can get a violent reaction when it dies called Herxheimer's Reaction. Please feel free to message me if you like.

Ampersand22 Fri 24-Feb-17 14:00:16

Dairy has lactose, which is sugar. btw

mummymeister Fri 24-Feb-17 14:00:53

it works but it is very, very tough to avoid yeast altogether. it means no tea, herbs, you have to wash fruit really carefully, nothing in vinegar or preserved and you have to do it rigorously for about 4 - 6 weeks. oh and alcohol - no alcohol either.

I am not a scientist but I had very bad thrush in pregnancy which wouldn't go away and stayed afterwards as well so did a completely yeast free diet under the care of the hospitals dietician. it worked.

stubbornstains Fri 24-Feb-17 14:03:39

Once you have an overgrowth the candida can change at will from its yeast form to a fungal form and back again Interesting point there....the medication says "anti fungal" rather than "anti yeast".

Luckily I don't have recurring thrush (or at least haven't up till now), I have it very rarely. I just wondered how the diet thing worked, having read the advice.

Where did you find out all this information on thrush ampersand?

stubbornstains Fri 24-Feb-17 14:07:03

If you were advised to do it by the hospital's dietician it must be pretty mainstream knowledge then, mummymeister.

I just can't work out how it would work! Do dead yeast organisms give off chemicals that are beneficial to the growth of live yeast organisms?

TheWinterOfOurDiscountTents Fri 24-Feb-17 14:12:30

OP, you already know the truth, you've explained it to yourself. Of course there is no way yeast in your bread affects a yeast infection in your chuff, its absolute and total bollocks.

There is at least a possible mechanism for the claim that sugar can affect it, but that's pretty weak as well, evidence wise.

If you're having recurring thrush it could be because the yeast (candida) has got out of hand and has led to Candida Albicans Overgrowth

This I'm afraid is more utter bollocks, as is much of the post it came from. Yes, systemic Candida/ overgrowth does happen...in people with advanced AIDS, or people with severely compromised immune systems.

This is one of those notions beloved of alternative practioner quacks who want to sell you their special detox diets and magic vitamin pills.

You need a bit more veg in your diet and some super strong canesten, end of story.

Ampersand22 Fri 24-Feb-17 14:13:23

I didn't have thrush either, or not much. Just loads of fungal skin rashes and a bad reaction to water on my skin (looked like hives)

I twigged myself that I might have this overgrowth because I was searching for info on chronic fatigue and depression, and for why my guts hurt all the time. It seemed to be the common denominator of all my symptoms, hair loss, chronic awful insomnia, fatigue, skin rashes, allergies. Just an awful time. It was an AHA moment (my doctors weren't helpful and wanted to put me on prozac and gaviscon).

It's not really widely known, as much as it should be anyway. There's evidence that people who suffer from fibromyalgia could actually have candida overgrowth, and not realise it. So many people depressed and it's physical not mental.

Do you have unexplained gut pain or any of the symptoms I had?

TheWinterOfOurDiscountTents Fri 24-Feb-17 14:13:31

Once you have an overgrowth the candida can change at will from its yeast form to a fungal form and back again

Oh come on, you can't actually believe this nonsense, can you?

Ampersand22 Fri 24-Feb-17 14:14:27

Thanks for completely rubbishing my post, what a lovely person. Unfortunately from experience I know that the treatment I followed has cured me and I feel better and have got my hair back.

TheWinterOfOurDiscountTents Fri 24-Feb-17 14:15:24

sciencebasedmedicine.org/candida-and-fake-illnesses/

health.usnews.com/health-news/blogs/eat-run/2013/12/10/we-all-have-candida-and-its-ok

TheWinterOfOurDiscountTents Fri 24-Feb-17 14:18:41

Ampersand I'm glad for you that you feel better, but you've been lied to and told things that are physically impossible.

Yeast in your vagina and yeast in your bread are entirely different species, of which there are thousands. Claiming that the species in your bread or beer or anything else can affect the species in your vagina is like claiming that the lactobacillus in your yoghurt can cause salmonella, simply because they are both bacteria.

Ampersand22 Fri 24-Feb-17 14:18:41

Nobody sold me a bloody thing. You seem quite cross love.
Read this OP. Like I say, my doctor wanted to mask the symptoms, not sure them.

thedailyhealth.co.uk/candida-cure-symptoms-00154/

Ampersand22 Fri 24-Feb-17 14:19:22

Lied to by who? Myself? Like I say, self-diagnosed and self-cured.

TheWinterOfOurDiscountTents Fri 24-Feb-17 14:20:51

From your own link Candida: The debilitating condition that conventional medicine arrogantly refuses to accept!

Most of the people pushing this nonsense are the "big pharma ignoring this thing that doesn't really exist" conspiracy types.

TheWinterOfOurDiscountTents Fri 24-Feb-17 14:22:39

Lied to by who? Myself? Like I say, self-diagnosed and self-cured

By the Internet, clearly. Changing your diet helps with lots of illnesses, but you can't go around trying to convince people of this anti-scientific nonsense simply because you feel better.

Self diagnosed means drs didn't agree with you, self cured means you happened to get better.

nocake Fri 24-Feb-17 14:23:39

You posted a link to a quack website in defence of a quack remedy? Brilliant grin

Ampersand22 Fri 24-Feb-17 14:23:54

"Claiming that the species in your bread or beer or anything else can affect the species in your vagina is like claiming that the lactobacillus in your yoghurt can cause salmonella, simply because they are both bacteria"

Errr, I didn't. I claimed sugar feeds candida and I gave up sugar. Beer and bread have sugar in them. So I gave them up, you see?

Big pharma ARE the problem. How does my treating candida naturally have ANYTHING to do with Big Pharma? You don't even make sense.

TheWinterOfOurDiscountTents Fri 24-Feb-17 14:25:40

Uh-huh. Always "big pharmas" fault. hmm

Ampersand22 Fri 24-Feb-17 14:27:14

Oh just go away. I'm trying to talk to the OP. Your opinion doesn't trump my experience, ok?

TheWinterOfOurDiscountTents Fri 24-Feb-17 14:28:19

From your own link The fungus changes from a single-celled organism to a thread-like ‘mycelial’ form, which penetrates your gut wall and enters your bloodstream

NO, this is not how the human body works! This claim is patently false. Unless the skin or gut membranes are broken by trauma or punctured by hardware, fungi cannot just slip out into the bloodstream and hitch a ride around one's body. If you did have Candida in your blood, you'd probably be in an Intensive Care Unit fighting for your life, not walking around with a "foggy brain" or bloated belly.

This is basic biology.

TheWinterOfOurDiscountTents Fri 24-Feb-17 14:28:58

Your opinion doesn't trump my experience, ok?

Science and biology trump your experience. The great thing about Science is that its true whether you believe in it or not!

Ampersand22 Fri 24-Feb-17 14:30:18

Science is as subjective as everything else on this planet. I am a scientist myself so I know.

TheWinterOfOurDiscountTents Fri 24-Feb-17 14:31:43

Science is as subjective as everything else on this planet. I am a scientist myself so I know

It really, really, really isn't. How blood works is not subjective.

I really don't believe that you are a scientist, actually.

Igneococcus Fri 24-Feb-17 14:32:02

Surely it's the carbs in those foods that feed the Candida not the the yeast cells, dead or alive.
Yeast are phyla in the phylogenetic kingdom Fungi, so many anti-yeast compounds also kill fungi, hence anti-fungi.

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