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Political correctness by Trevor Phillips

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Itisnoteasybeingdifferent Thu 23-Feb-17 22:36:37

He made a lot of very sensible observations... And I am not a left wing reomaner.

TheWinterOfOurDiscountTents Thu 23-Feb-17 22:37:35

What is your aibu?

ToastDemon Thu 23-Feb-17 22:38:25

YABU to use the term "Remoaner". It's childish.

CosyNook Thu 23-Feb-17 22:48:36

You mean politically incorrect?

Itisnoteasybeingdifferent Thu 23-Feb-17 22:49:10


Do you not see what you do?

PlayOnWurtz Thu 23-Feb-17 22:53:13

From what I saw he made some good observations. Tbh I'm slightly ashamed to be (only just) a millennial. They don't half make life difficult for themselves!

Itisnoteasybeingdifferent Thu 23-Feb-17 22:57:40

As he said.. if you think Trump is good then carry on

pastizzi Thu 23-Feb-17 23:07:33

He made some excellent points. I'm a 'lefty' but the no-platforming and censoring of diverse views chills me to the core.

As someone said, it doesn't actually lead to a more tolerant society. People don't stop believing things just because they can't say them.

And people who feel they no longer have a voice end up protesting (with catastrophic results for us all) when it comes to the privacy of the ballot box. Much better if views could be aired and debated before they feel 'forced' into the nuclear option

BackforGood Thu 23-Feb-17 23:13:35

I can't see what you are asking if YABU about ??

Also, could you link to whatever it is you are talking about? Then people can give you informed replies.

amispartacus Thu 23-Feb-17 23:16:37


It's hard to engage with people who have different opinions to you and whose only answer is to insult them.

It's also the people who have the least to fear and to lose who are the ones who talk about political correctness. The ones who have a massive platform from which to speak.

How do you engage with people who don't want to listen to what your concerns are? Who have their own truths.

MrsBernardBlack Thu 23-Feb-17 23:16:44

It was a good, thoughtful programme. I thought he had a very impressive range of people to interview and really reached a good balance of opinions and ideas.

I think that it did show that there has been a huge change (for the better) in attitudes in this country since the 70s. It is important to keep that momentum continuing.

amispartacus Thu 23-Feb-17 23:19:03

It is important to keep that momentum continuing

The rise of Trump has emboldened people who couldn't really care less about minority groups.

Tartyflette Thu 23-Feb-17 23:29:24

The piece with the university students was troubling, they did not see at all how authoritarian they were..
And Paris Lees too, had little to say except she didn't like Germaine Greer, called her an old bigot (ageism is obviously acceptable) and would not countenance any disagreement at all. It was chilling.
Trevor, on the other hand, was a voice of sanity.

BonnieF Fri 24-Feb-17 00:01:03

A very good, thought-provoking show.

I basically agree with Phillips. PC was a necessary counter action to the prejudice and bigotry of previous generations, but as those scarily closed-minded and authoritarian students demonstrated, it has gone too far.

When well-meaning older people who are just trying to be polite are criticised for using the word 'coloured' instead of 'black', it has gone too far.

When 'acceptable' terminology changes every five minutes, apparently to catch out people who are not conversant with the latest PC lingo, it has gone too far.

When police and social services won't investigate organised child sex abuse by gangs of Pakistani Muslim men in Rotherham because they are terrified of being denounced as racist, it has gone too far.

MyBeloved Fri 24-Feb-17 00:17:09

The uni students were baffling. How can dressing up as the opposite sex for a giggle be seen as 'unsafe'????

And calling Germane an 'old bigot'? Did that young woman realise of whom she was speaking? And I agree with tarty in that she was quite happy to bandy ageism around!

hoddtastic Fri 24-Feb-17 00:19:53

those.bloody.students. I despair!

venusinscorpio Fri 24-Feb-17 00:35:23

It was a really good programme.

SparkleSoiree Fri 24-Feb-17 00:46:45

It was refreshing to see some open dialogue and uncomfortable questions being asked! Those students though....

twattymctwatterson Fri 24-Feb-17 01:15:48

BonnieF police and social services didn't take forward claims of abuse in Rotherham because the victims were not taken seriously due to their background. When the scandal first broke it was widely reported that this was the result of authorities not wanting to appear racist however it later transpired that as many of the victims were in care or came from quite chaotic home lives they were not considered to be reliable. Social Workers and police officers failed to see that what they thought were consensual relationships were in fact sexually abusive and coercive. It wasn't about race, it was actually about distain for the victims

venusinscorpio Fri 24-Feb-17 01:24:40

It was a perfect storm of both things, actually. Read the official report into Rotherham council's failings. It absolutely involved race.

twattymctwatterson Fri 24-Feb-17 01:36:32

Venus I've read the Jay report. It's true that local Councillors sought to downplay the racial aspect of the abuse when it first became public knowledge and stuck their head in the sand regarding issues parts of the local Pakistani community had regarding views of women etc. However there is no evidence that professionals such as police and social workers were influenced by concerns over being labelled racist. The Jay report states that police treated the victims with "contempt" and as though they were promiscuous and in consensual relationships. There was a culture of distant around victims of sex crimes in general. Social Workers were (as usual) overworked, facing staff shortages and did not have enough backing from senior management. You're correct in that it was the perfect storm but there is no evidence police refused to investigate abuse for fear of being labelled racist

venusinscorpio Fri 24-Feb-17 02:02:47

Read Louise Casey's report. You cannot deny that political correctness played a role.

HelenaDove Fri 24-Feb-17 02:12:19

In other words twatty.................class prejudice.

JustAnotherPoster00 Fri 24-Feb-17 02:38:50

And Paris Lees too, had little to say except she didn't like Germaine Greer, called her an old bigot (ageism is obviously acceptable)

Has Germaine Greer become young again then? How is old an ageist term, I thought it was just descriptive hmm

Bambambini Fri 24-Feb-17 02:41:09

"And calling Germane an 'old bigot'? Did that young woman realise of whom she was speaking? And I agree with tarty in that she was quite happy to bandy ageism around!"

Oh Greer is used to males insulting her when she doesn't just lie back and take their crap.

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