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AIBU to expect to be paid?

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cluelessjane Thu 23-Feb-17 14:43:58

I'm a uni student and saw an advertisement for a counter assistant job in a takeaway a stones throw away from my house.

I text the number and after giving a few details and my availability I received this message

"Before you start to work here, you have to have a few nights training, but you won't get payment until you have your own shift, is that ok?"

AIBU to expect to be paid for any training that I do for the job role? As it's a takeaway I'm assuming that I will be there at least 8 hours over two nights and I don't know whether to suck it up and just hope that they do give me the job, or potentially waste my own time and be told "actually, no thanks"

Help??

rjay123 Thu 23-Feb-17 14:44:51

You should be paid.

Trust your gut. If it seems dodgy, it probably is!

KoalaDownUnder Thu 23-Feb-17 14:45:20

YANBU. That would actually be illegal here (Australia).

Please look into the legalities where you live.

londonrach Thu 23-Feb-17 14:45:35

I wouldnt. Bet no one gets taken on

justbeinreal Thu 23-Feb-17 14:46:41

Maybe compromise? One night should be enough for both sides to get a feel for whether it will work.

BreakfastAtSquiffanys Thu 23-Feb-17 14:47:03

I'd be worried that everyone who applies does 2 nights "training" and no-0ne gets the job.
Free staff!

Captaintango Thu 23-Feb-17 14:47:54

I would agree to one 'trial shift' of under 4 hours. After that, it's a job offer or no more shifts, training or otherwise.

HecateAntaia Thu 23-Feb-17 14:50:12

I would want to know more.
How many nights is 'a few'. How many hours in total. Do you sign a contract before starting training. During your training are you shadowing someone or are you expected to work independently.

I'd be worried they get a few days free labour out of people.

But the problem with asking is they might just decide you're too much trouble (wrong, unfair but the reality) and just go no further.

I also can't help but wonder exactly how many nights training it takes to learn how to serve food in a takeaway.

Are they open during the day? Maybe suggest you do your training at hours different to the ones offered for employment. That way you'll know if they want free labour or if there is actually a job?

Or maybe I'm too cynical.

Bottom line is - is it worth it to you? The risk of wasting a few nights v possibility of getting the job?

It's something only you can decide.

ShoutOutToMyEx Thu 23-Feb-17 14:50:40

Sadly, I bet they'll find someone willing. For some people the upside of jobs that disregard legal requirements IS that they disregard legal requirements (right to work in U.K. etc). It can leave people very vulnerable to this kind of exploitation IME.

TheProblemOfSusan Thu 23-Feb-17 15:36:15

I just had a Google for this as I thought it was illegal and it turns out that its a sort of great area.

I'm on my phone so can't copy the link over but there's a post called "Is it legal not to be paid for a trial shift" on the blog Unlock the Law (which is relatively reliable, I believe) that suggests it's OK for a few hours but if you're doing real work, which I think this sounds like, it must be at at least minimum wage.

However. I personally would not touch this with a barge pole as I believe work should always be paid. But it's pretty easy for me to say that as I have a job - I hope you can work something out, perhaps a short trial shift then paid. Unless you're really struggling I would consider that this isn't a very professional workplace and look elsewhere, though.

cluelessjane Thu 23-Feb-17 15:55:10

Thanks for everyone's thoughts, I immediately saw it as a bit of a red flag but didn't know if I was being precious and whether this was the norm... I think I'm gonna leave it, just need to figure out how to word the message so that I don't rub them the wrong way as I had to give my address in the initial application

TheProblemOfSusan Thu 23-Feb-17 16:03:57

No I think your instincts were right!

You can just be really brief - thank you for the offer but I'm pursuing other opportunities and won't be taking you up on it. Good luck with your search!

LurkingHusband Thu 23-Feb-17 16:09:52

Bet no one gets taken on

plus a rant about how "you can't get the staff" ....

snowdropsnow Thu 23-Feb-17 16:11:14

The message says you won't get paid until you have done your own shift, not that you won't get paid for training at all. I had to hold off paying carers until they had worked on their own for a couple of shifts, as some did the training, got paid, then left ! So I ended up paying out for nothing.

expatinscotland Thu 23-Feb-17 16:13:04

I wouldn't respond to them at all. And I'd dob them in if they are in fact doing something illegal.

krustykittens Thu 23-Feb-17 16:16:17

If you are good enough to work for them, you are good enough to be paid.

ThroughThickAndThin01 Thu 23-Feb-17 16:24:09

I'm surprised at the responses. I thought this was common practise in food and catering.

susiella Thu 23-Feb-17 16:52:08

I applied for a job in an estate agent, (think skinny model, or what doesn't grow on a rolling stone) in Doncaster. They were very keen to hire me, & I got quite enthusiastic, then asked if I would work a 7 day 'trial period' for NO pay. I declined.
Unbelievable.

LurkingHusband Thu 23-Feb-17 17:10:58

I thought this was common practise in food and catering.

Is that what they say ?

ThroughThickAndThin01 Thu 23-Feb-17 18:16:05

Who say? Just the experience of (mainly) teenagers of friends.

gobbin Thu 23-Feb-17 20:07:15

This happened twice to DS, once at Dominos and once at Wiwo. Blatant piss poor practice and we have never used either place for food since. Dominos had him driving round using his own car too, so petrol, wear and tear.

ratspeaker Thu 23-Feb-17 20:25:06

Theres a fair bit flyong around the media about allegations of Mooboo doing this.
www.buzzfeed.com/saraspary/bubble-tea-stores-have-allegedly-been-asking-people-to-work?utm_term=.mwKEmVDV6N&ref=mobile_share#.uvoyplLlzB

khajiit13 Thu 23-Feb-17 20:33:39

Legal? I'm not sure on the legalities. But normal? Yeah, incredibly normal in my experience, for small businesses. Unfortunately. They haven't said they won't pay you - just that they want you to do a trial before offially employing you. I'm not sure where that leaves you if they decide against hiring you though.

TheWinterOfOurDiscountTents Thu 23-Feb-17 20:34:41

I'm surprised at the responses. I thought this was common practise in food and catering

It is, and has been for a long time.

cluelessjane Thu 23-Feb-17 22:02:19

Definitely going to be giving it a miss, I asked for more info regarding the job and have since found out it's less than minimum wage and cash in hand so... hmm!!

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