To dare speak about Vaxxed on MN?

[thegoodfight]

NC for this but a regular.

So I've just watched the documentary Vaxxed. I know how vaccine threads unfold on MN, so I'm ready to be told IABU however I feel like everyone should see this whatever your views - it's about the cover up around studies into autism and MMR

There is an admission from a CDC insider that he worked on the study and hid data which proved a link (a strong an quite frankly astounding one) and the data was sent to an external biologist who saw it for himself. There are first hand accounts from parents, scientists, doctors and politicians. The CDC haven't denied anything or called their lawyers despite it being an allegation of the biggest medical fraud ever (not exact words but something along those lines)

I just can't believe it's not been in the news! AIBU to ask if anyone else is planning to watch it??

[Coldilox]

Nope

[Hotfuzzed]

Not today satan.

[FayeandMe]

I am pro vaccine. In a big way.

I did note the letter sent to journalists last week re thermasol (sp?)

Any way as far as I am aware we don't use it in the UK.

[measles64]

It would help if I knew which channel, day it was going to be on.

[Fighterofthenightman]

No ta.

[namechange20050]

Oh for goodness sake. There was no cover up and there is no link.

[FayeandMe]

I will say the same thing I say everytime these threads come up.

If there ever was a link proved. I would still take the chance of a child with autism over not vaccinating. Autism is not the end of the world.

[thegoodfight]

Haha ok

Measles - it's on iTunes and Amazon for 99p

Faye - the doc isn't necessarily about thirmisol, just the MMR

[DJBaggySmalls]

The risk of vaccinating is lower than the risk of not vaccinating.
You've never seen someone live in an iron lung after contracting Polio.

[FayeandMe]

And one more thing. Thermosol was removed and rates of autism are still going up in the U.K. Something may be causing it but is isn't vaccines.

[FayeandMe]

I still don't get why people wouldn't vaccinate even if there was a link

Autism or awful disease/death. I'm going with autism risk everytime.

[thegoodfight]

Again Faye - it's about the combination of the MMR, not thirisimol. Actually the angle of the doc isn't that all vaccines should be stopped, it's that the single measles vaccine should be more widely available.

[Twistmeandturnme]

leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2016/01/04/the-william-thompson-documents-theres-no-whistle-to-blow/

[Magzmarsh]

It's all conspirloon bollocks, ridiculous myths peddled by the same people who claim queenie is a lizard 🦎. Unfortunately there's one in the White House now 😩

[Mrsemcgregor]

I wasn't going to get involved with this thread, but I have to know what Robert De Niro has to do with this hughlaurie

[TheNiffler]

The Idiot Board is that way >>>

[measles64]

As a Mum of a fifteen year old when the scare was at its height I can tell you it was very frightening, Mothers were booking the vaccine individually in Liverpool and paying privately, then the government banned that, something I could never understand what did it matter to them.

I know someone who is paying privately for the menin. b vaccine for their 2 year old because it is not available on the NHS no-one has banned that.

There was a lot of unpleasantness and mistrust at the time.

[Notanotherpawpatrol]

Odfod. As an autism parent I can assure you DD showed signs of autism BEFORE she had the MMR.
You will find most autism parents will say the same and the people who make these ridiculous claims, don't have children with autism. Do your research, with some reputable data before spouting such nonsense.

[hackmum]

Fayeandme: "Autism or awful disease/death. I'm going with autism risk everytime."

I'm not going to comment on the rights or wrongs of the documentary (I haven't seen it) but I do find this a bit strange. When I was a child, measles, mumps and rubella were all accepted as a normal part of growing up. Yes, I know of course children die from measles, and I know rubella in a pregnant woman is highly harmful for a developing foetus. I don't want to minimise those things. But the vast majority of children who have those diseases in a modern Western society will get through them without lasting ill-effect.

[thegoodfight]

Meh, honestly I was just interested to see if anyone else is planning on watching it. No need to get nasty. I will assume you're not going to be watching it then!

[thegoodfight]

With absolutely no disrespect - there are parents in the doc who do speak of their babies literally changing in the hours after the MMR. Nobody is claiming that MMR is the only cause of autism, but I think these parents deserve to be listened to. Some of their children were so awfully unwell it makes for tough viewing, and their parents swore it occurred literally right after the vaccine.

[Notanotherpawpatrol]

Penn and teller explain it perfectly

[PigletWasPoohsFriend]

No no no no and no...

[MrsTerryPratchett]

I have met many adults who are on the spectrum but undiagnosed, one of whom I actually helped get diagnosed. I'm very suspicious about the 'rise' in cases when I know many people who 'weren't' autistic and now are.

then the government banned that, something I could never understand what did it matter to them. Because they can do maths. And know that separate vaccines mean that some children will never get the second or third vaccines (because parents forget, don't take them or don't want to) and that delays mean that some children will catch those diseases and some of those will die because of the delay.

Can anyone explain WHY there is this massive conspiracy? I mean people don't do things for no reason...