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Worried61 Sun 19-Feb-17 14:19:17

Dd has been diagnosed with asd but these been suggestions that she might be eupd. Here are some of the the symptoms I think may be eupd. She takes overdoses without really thinking and to in her own words get people to care or because she feels that someone else is liked more than her. Will go on and on about a situation where she feels that someone else was our first. Looks into every comment someone makes to see if it's sign of them not liking her. Worries if people don't reply they will never talk to her again. Threatens sucide if feels rejected.

Worried61 Sun 19-Feb-17 20:32:31

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acquiescence Sun 19-Feb-17 20:41:32

Yes, the things you are describing are tick box for eupd. But presumably there is a lot more to her presentation than these things alone, and presumably she has been assessed by a psychiatrist who has taken this into account.
How old is she? Eupd is not given as a diagnosis until adulthood.
Is there any trauma in her childhood/past that could have caused these reactions? Usually people with this diagnosis have experienced some unpleasant things in their life which mean that they struggle to relate to world as expected by others.
I hope that she is getting the support she needs and that you are too if you need it.

Worried61 Sun 19-Feb-17 20:55:40

She's 21 so old enough. She didn't really go into detail in the asssment about all those things. He was mainly focussed on her overdosing behaviour.

Worried61 Mon 20-Feb-17 17:02:39

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NeedsAsockamnesty Mon 20-Feb-17 17:08:30

It is my understanding that a not unusual feature of ASD in girls is suicide attempts and depression.

ruralmum78 Mon 20-Feb-17 17:09:19

Sounds like it may well be eupd. My friend has recently started having DBT for this and it is really helping.

ruralmum78 Mon 20-Feb-17 17:12:03

Needs - yes they are features of ASD in females. However the fear of rejection along with self harm sounds like classic eupd to me.

imip Mon 20-Feb-17 17:23:51

ASD in females is frequently misdiagnosed as eupd.

My dd is 8 and has ASD. She has self harmed since she was 6, and will frequently ruminate over discussions held with people. It is really a painful process to be involved with. I don't know much about eupd, but I feel I'm pretty competent understanding girls with autism (at least better than our school, community pead and child psych / yep, I'm bitter).

It does sound like it is all consistent with ASD.

yorkshapudding Mon 20-Feb-17 18:05:52

ASD and personality disorders are not mutually exclusive so it's possible she may have both. However, it may be that her hypersensitivity to percieved rejections and emotional dysregulation are a manifestation of her ASD.

EUPD is a complex condition that takes in depth assessment and specialist knowledge to identify correctly. Unfortunately, I've seen a lot of misinformation and unhelpful generalisations about personality disorders being bandied about on MN so take the responses to this thread with a pinch of salt. No one will be able to tell you with any degree of certainty that your daughter has those traits based on posts on an online forum. It does sound as though she displays some very risky behaviours though so it's definitely worth discussing your concerns with your GP or mental health team if she is open to one.

acquiescence Mon 20-Feb-17 18:18:31

Yorkshapudding

Agreed. Although I would hope people would not be commenting on this sort of thread with advice unless they had a professional background in the area, or if not, made it clear they were speaking from personal experience.

One thing I would say is that EUPD is far more regularly diagnosed than ASD in adults and it is more common to misdiagnose the other way round.

hugz Mon 20-Feb-17 18:52:45

Eupd sounds exactly like what my son has. But he's 16 so cannot be diagnosed. I've never heard of it before.

ruralmum78 Mon 20-Feb-17 19:34:03

Hugz eupd is the newish name for Borderline personality disorder.

Sugarlightly Mon 20-Feb-17 19:39:53

As a professional - no one is able to say whether your daughter has EUPD, ASD or both. Unfortunately I also don't really have an answer. I would like to echo a previous post though - having EUPD and other personality disorders can be extremely stigmatising.

Some of the professionals I work with have strong opinions on people with personality disorders and have had bad experiences of working with this group of people. I absolutely don't agree with a negative portrayal of people with personality disorders and have found people with personality disorders to be some of the most interesting, caring, passionate people I have met.

If you really think the diagnosis of EUPD fits and that your daughter would be well supported then look at a second opinion. However (I stress - in my experience) an EUPD diagnosis can hinder some people's treatment due to negative opinions of personality disorders by professionals. I haven't seen these negative opinions towards ASD.

I would also like to make it clear that I don't work in mental health services so my experience of people with personality disorders is probably lower than those who do.

ruralmum78 Mon 20-Feb-17 19:46:45

Yorkshapudding - yes there is of course ignorance about personality disorders and none of us can diagnose this OP's daughter . However no one is attempting to diagnose on this thread, just giving their opinions. Personally I think it is really important to get the correct diagnose and I am speaking as a person that wasn't diagnosed as having ASD until 38. I have self harmed, had depression, anxiety and suicidal ideation in the past. However I am have quite different symptoms to people I know with EUPD. I work with women with autism and BPD/ EUPD. This is entirely my own opinion and only based on my own experience but I can see differences in the two disorders in the people I know. The advice I would give you OP though is that if you have any reason to think that your daughter needs to be assessed again or that she may not have the correct diagnosis then I would go back and ask for further assessments and help. The help and support for eupd is different to autism so this is important.

Worried61 Mon 20-Feb-17 20:33:11

I do believe she has autisum but I just think she may also have eupd which is being covered up by the fact of her also having autisim.

ruralmum78 Mon 20-Feb-17 21:08:00

Worried I would definitely ask about whether she could be assessed again then to see if she could have eupd. Yes there is unfortunately stigma related to that as a diagnosis but if she has got eupd then her treatment and care can be tailored better to her needs as DBT for example may help her. Best of luck, I hope you get the correct answer for her.

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