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What would you think about a TA doing this

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diamondsforapril Tue 07-Feb-17 17:22:48

Repeatedly telling children

you can't do this
this is too hard
well I don't understand this
I don't know, it's too hard
this is too hard for them, they can't do it (to teacher but in earshot of the students)
?

Trifleorbust Tue 07-Feb-17 17:27:43

More context. Was it long multiplication or were the children being asked to read Hegel/prove Newton's three laws?

ineedamoreadultieradult Tue 07-Feb-17 17:30:04

I would think they need to use more discretion and take privately to the teacher about the work being set and use more positive language around the child.

diamondsforapril Tue 07-Feb-17 17:37:54

It's the negative language around the children I am most concerned with.

I think the TA doesn't understand it so assumes the children don't!

Trifleorbust Tue 07-Feb-17 17:39:06

Up to a point, you have a point. Is it constant, or did this happen once?

StillStayingClassySanDiego Tue 07-Feb-17 17:40:18

How old are the children? just out of interest.

Salzundessig Tue 07-Feb-17 17:43:18

Speak to the teacher. I worked with a TA like this and I would have loved some parental complaints to back me up when I pulled her up on it.

zeeboo Tue 07-Feb-17 17:44:49

I would not want that person around my child at school. Our school is teaching the children about having a growth mindset so they'd tell her to stop being so bloody negative themselves!

TheFallenMadonna Tue 07-Feb-17 17:46:38

I once had a TA shout across the room to me, "They can't do this. They can't read" in my first lesson with a class. We had an exchange of views after the lesson...

diamondsforapril Tue 07-Feb-17 17:46:46

Constant, and secondary aged.

Sal, sadly I am not the parent!

Trifleorbust Tue 07-Feb-17 17:48:51

zeeboo: Growth mindset is great. I don't want to teach my DD that she isn't allowed to say negative things, though. If she's shit at music, I will always encourage her to try but I'm not going to blow smoke up her! Work harder if you suck at something grin

Trifleorbust Tue 07-Feb-17 17:49:07

And what is the work?

Mynestisfullofempty Tue 07-Feb-17 17:49:27

The teacher should say to the TA (also in earshot of the students) "You don't understand it, but that doesn't mean they don't"

SpiritedLondon Tue 07-Feb-17 17:51:30

It's very undermining for the teacher so that would be very annoying. It also sets the children to believe that they are not capable of managing the task. Again, very annoying.

woodhill Tue 07-Feb-17 17:51:42

Bit worrying that the TA is saying this, is it maths?

Fackorf Tue 07-Feb-17 17:52:17

Depends. It is possible (and very demoralising) to pitch work too high for a class.
But in that case it is still unprofessional to undermine the teacher like that.

bumsexatthebingo Tue 07-Feb-17 17:52:43

If you're the teacher then you need to manage the TA. Let her know what you would like her to do when the children are struggling. Would you like her to assist with the work and put a note on so you know it wasn't done completely independently?
If SHE is struggling to understand the work maybe suggest she have a look on bitesize or similar to improve her own subject knowledge.

Trifleorbust Tue 07-Feb-17 17:53:16

It is unprofessional to say these things in front of the children, regardless.

Birdsgottaf1y Tue 07-Feb-17 17:53:56

Her way of communication needs to be appropriate for her setting, she's falling short, at present.

It's easy to say, "they aren't ready for this", rather than, "they can't do this".

I would and have complained, there's never been a time when the Teacher/Head didn't agree.

ImperialBlether Tue 07-Feb-17 17:54:28

Can you give us an example of what she couldn't understand and how old the children were?

ineedamoreadultieradult Tue 07-Feb-17 17:55:57

My mum was a TA before TA's became so widespread in schools. Her student had a vision problem so Mum would read things for them and be their scribe but she wouldn't have been able to help them with the actual work especially something like A level physics or anything. But she would encourage the student to ask any questions about the work to the teacher. I don't know if it works like this now or if the TAs are supposed to know the subjects as well as the teacher.

fourcorneredcircle Tue 07-Feb-17 17:59:25

As an MFL teacher I used to get this so much at previous schools. "No point me going to French, don't understand it" or even in the lesson "I was rubbish at languages at school, don't know how I'm supposed to help you" Drove me fucking bonkers.

So glad that I now work in a school where TAs aren't allowed to say which subjects they will/won't work in - because yes, whilst they might think they would struggle as much as I would think I would to follow top set Maths having not picked up a calculator since my GCSEs, miraculously when they are in the lesson, actually listening to what the teacher is explaining to the pupils, they can do it too! If an average 11-16 year old can follow a class so can an adult. No excuses!

And at primary that's even more ridiculous! Don't TAs normally have to have GCSE Maths and English to a certain level? A C grade is well above where most 11 year olds are - listen to the bloody lesson of you're so rusty!

diamondsforapril Tue 07-Feb-17 18:05:14

It's not Maths. It is the examination syllabus and the work is very structured and accessible (IMO.)

RebelRogue Tue 07-Feb-17 18:07:35

Is it all subjects she's doing this or particular subjects? If it's all subjects then a chat is needed about her attitude and the words used. If it's particular subject/subjects it could be she lacks enough knowledge in that particular area and again a chat should be had to find out how she could improve.
Honestly i have days when i want to cry. Kids that just don't get it,r struggle to count in twos,or recognise maths language like difference means taking away. We just rephrase the question,we talk about it,we try visuals,column method,number lines,place value charts. We try again and again and again.
Last week I had a kid that "couldn't do it". He could,he just didn't get it. He still wasn't getting it at the end of the lesson. Promised him we'll look over it again in the morning(he arrives 15-20 mins before class starts). So went home and wracked my brains,and drew some things n a piece of paper as reference. The next day...he got it!! He still uses the paper in every class and now asked for a laminated one where he can add his own stuff to match questions in class. He could do it,i just hadn't found the right resources for him in that first lesson.

Trifleorbust Tue 07-Feb-17 18:08:52

They are not exactly children, then?

If you are the teacher, have a word with the TA along the lines of: "If you need to discuss the work you are being asked to do with the students, I am always available to do that after school/free period/email. Please don't make any more comments in front of them though, because it is coming across as negativity." If that doesn't work, speak to her LM.

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