Aibu about these girls and tutor spoiling college course?(29 Posts)
Need a rant! Am currently doing an nvq college course for a beauty course and a couple of the girls (along with the tutor) are spoiling it for everyone.
There's 8 of us on it and the same 2 girls are late every week (starts at 9:15 till 5) and not just 10/20 mins it's always at least 90 if not till after lunchtime. All of us have children except one of the persistently late girls but the rest of us manage to get there on time. They never apologise for being late and cause a big commotion when they come in laughing/sniggering/fussing about.
Worse than this though is that the tutor a lot of the time waits for them to arrive rather than saying for them to catch up in their own time, she often doesn't start for an hour as they text to say they're on their way but are obviously a long way off getting there. So the rest of us have run around doing drop offs to get in but apparently for no reason. She also seems to have a soft spot for these girls and never says anything to them for being late it's so aggravating as she'll pull up other people for being off ill or with ill children.
Aibu that it annoys me so much??
It's really ruining the course for me and the others, as we end up having about waiting for the others and you all finish with just a pass or fail so none of us will be recognised for coming in more than they will for turning up when they feel like it.
That's shocking. Can you speak to the college dean? Or equivalent.
You need to speak to the tutor and put your point across! What do you all do when the others are late, just sit there?
Get another student on side, go and see the tutor and, without necessarily mentioning the latecomers, explain that it is extremely frustrating to waste so much time waiting in the morning and could sessions please start on time. If you don't get anywhere, talk to the head of department.
Did you sign up for a certain number of hours? Is the tutor being paid to teach that number of hours? Depending on the answers, those of you coming in on time need to speak to the tutor and either suggest starting an hour later for everybody or starting on time and sod the latecommers.
Make a precise list of what time you start every day and then if you get no joy from the tutor, go to the college administration. This is no way to run an educational establishment.
You need to approach the tutor and say it can't go on anymore. If you get no joy with her speak to her head of department.
Have you been asked to give feedback about the course? Maybe a questionnaire? If so you must all be truthful about the situation. Such feedback is not just seen by your tutor.
Do you have a personal tutor who you could talk to about this? If you were all to do this it would have an impact.
What does your tutor say when you ask why you are waiting? Have you 8 complained to her directly, or just moaned to one another? At the end of the day the college is only delivering 50% or so of the contact hours they are being paid to deliver.
Generally everyone just sits and chats but it's so frustrating it's only one day a week and I go to learn! I actually said today to the tutor 'do you mind if I go ahead and make a start on the theory' and her face!
She said ' how are you going to do that? We're waiting for X and Y' so I said that if we were waiting for them, could I copy the notes down we needed from the college intranet on my phone on to the forms we needed to complete.
She gleefully said 'oh you're not allowed your phone out we had big meeting about that this morning '.
So I just said 'fine' and sat with my arms crossed till the time wasters got in.
What's weird though is that she knew she'd annoyed me and spent the rest of the lesson trying to 'make friends' she asked if i could be a model for nails for her, asked me if I'd lost weight and was overly pally! Strange.
Not strange really at all- she probably thought over the situation and is considering the absurdity of stopping you from learning when you are in a class.
I would email and say that you're not happy with the late starts, and could the course tutor confirm this isn't going to happen anymore?
this is my area of work! classess should always start on time, even if just 1 learner in the room. tutors job to welcome latecomers. you need to raise a complaint. your setting will have a policy, follow it. in the 1st instance you probably need to speak to tutor. if no joy you follow up the line of command! is there a text book you could buy and you could be working on it if this continues. in out setting the tutor would be spoken to and you would be thanked for bringing it to our attention. good luck!
Go to student services and make a complaint to the head of her department - not times and dates etc - don't speak to the tutor it's not your job to confront a member of staff about such abysmal behaviour and lack of proffesionalum
You have what 6 hours of teaching time a week? (I'm allowing 45 minutes for lunch?) and they're wasting 25% of it! I'm assuming you are paying for this course and some are paying for childcare?
I would just double check what time the next session is going to be starting. Let the tutor know that you have a rush on to get in for 9 so if you're not going to be starting until 11 should you just come for that time? Then if she says she'll be starting at 9 and doesn't I would complain.
I'd really like to complain about her as she's so unprofessional but ironically it's because she's so unprofessional that I'm nervous to.
She has no qualms about gossiping about other students, she tells to rest of us if another is off ill and what's wrong with them. I know she'd make the course very uncomfortable for me if I complained. Feel pretty trapped by it all.
Raise a complaint. If the college don't listen, complain every single time your course starts late and try and get the others to do the same
How are you even covering everything you need to if you lose such a big chunk of time every week?
Sounds like you're not the only one annoyed so she wouldn't necessarily know who had complained.
You need to go over her head immediately.
Put a detailed complaint in writing. And get all the others on the course to sign it as well if possible.
You are being cheated out of your education. The tutor is not doing her job properly.
Speak to the head of department about the tutor. That's terribly unprofessional behaviour particularly if you've asked outright tosntart. You're missing out on tutoring time that has been paid for. Totally unacceptable.
How can you cover everything if you're missing about 20-25% of teaching time?!
I'd not mention this to the tutor.
I'd put in a complaint higher up though and I'd note your concerns about raising it with her because of how she talks about other students when they're not there and you do not want your name used.
Better still if you and another student can talk to someone about it so nothing's in writing yet.
Are you paying for this course? I would be so fucked off in your shoes, 100% complain to the tutor and then to the college
whensitmyturn "Generally everyone just sits and chats but it's so frustrating it's only one day a week and I go to learn! I actually said today to the tutor 'do you mind if I go ahead and make a start on the theory' and her face!"
"She said ' how are you going to do that? We're waiting for X and Y' so I said that if we were waiting for them, could I copy the notes down we needed from the college intranet on my phone on to the forms we needed to complete.
She gleefully said 'oh you're not allowed your phone out we had big meeting about that this morning '.
So I just said 'fine' and sat with my arms crossed till the time wasters got in."
That is all 100% not OK. Either you have paid for the course someone else (family/charity/UK tax payer) has paid for you to do the course.
In your shoes I would speak to the other participants and tell her you all want to start on time or simply speak to her before the course begins and say that if the course does not start in time today you will report this to the dean/manager/course leader/head or whoever is appropriate
"What's weird though is that she knew she'd annoyed me and spent the rest of the lesson trying to 'make friends' she asked if i could be a model for nails for her, asked me if I'd lost weight and was overly pally!"
She really should not be asking you about your weight or making friends with you, she sounds very immature.
Either get the others on side or speak to her privately. If she does not do as you request, go above her head.
If she says 'What about the other hirls' Say 'What about me, I rushed to be here on time and you and they are wasting my time. If I were late I would not expect a whole class to wait for me."
You HAVE to report this up the food chain.
1. The tutor is stealing form you and the other students who arrive on time. Every week she deprives you of some of the teaching time your contract entitles you to.
2. If the actual teaching time is low then the funding agency may well pull funding
3. She is allowing 2 students to run rings as she needs 10/11 students for the course to break even and run again next year. But that is not your problem!
So go to the college website and find out the name of the person you should complain to. If that person were me (and it used to be) I would take you very seriously and would act very quickly.
"I'd really like to complain about her as she's so unprofessional but ironically it's because she's so unprofessional that I'm nervous to.
She has no qualms about gossiping about other students, she tells to rest of us if another is off ill and what's wrong with them. I know she'd make the course very uncomfortable for me if I complained. Feel pretty trapped by it all."
So you need to tell the manager this, or if you want to give her the benefit of the doubt you could say...
" I know that you have no qualms about gossiping about other students, you have told us if another is off ill and what's wrong with them. This is totally inappropriate and if you continue to do it, I will report you for it."
I know this takes a lot of courage to do but you will feel great actually saying politely what is on your mind and you will be able to carry through and actually tell the dean if she does continue to do this.
She is in a position of trust and authority and she has made you feel very uncomfortable and pretty trapped. Time for it to stop.
I would complain, I'm already thinking ahead to the course work needed to complete the course, as will you get it all done plus the terrible 2, how much help will she give them with their work.
Say you want a 25% refund as you are sitting waiting each time for the terrible 2 to turn up.
Thanks for all your advice, yes I'm paying for it through the student loan company so yes it makes me even more cross that it's money wasted.
Yes also to needing people to complete the course, there's actually another girl on the course (so 9 of us) but she had a baby in October and has been in 3 times in total since September but the tutor was saying to her today that she'll help her through it all. This girl was saying she'd never catch up and she hasn't done anything at home for it but the tutor was being all supportive.
Another girl who has been in every week bar once since September said she'd not be able to make it in next week and the tutor just said 'tough you've got be in'. She's definitely flexible with the rules depending on whose she talking to.
Can't remember who said it but yes she is very immature.
Still a bit nervous to complain just yet as she assesses our work, I would expect her to get me to do it over and over to 'get me back '. A lot of the higher faculty members e.g deputy head, go to her for beauty treatments that she does cheaply for them as well so would be worried they would just tell her it was me or wouldn't say anything to her at all.
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