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To be told if a boy is sleeping with the girls at girl guides camp

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Babieseverywhere Thu 12-Jan-17 09:49:58

The guides have changed their guidance on boys attending meeting, trips and over night stays.

Previously the rule was no boys allowed.

Now all boys allowed but don't tell the girls or parents, unless the boy and his parents give permission !

There are already a massive amount of forms for attending rainbows, brownies, guides or Senior section which need signing, from permissions for photos to health and safety for activities but if a boy want to watch my 10yo undress that is ok and no one will be asking permission from my daughter or us !

How can this be legal ? Do girls have no rights in the UK in 2017 ?

Guides article online

DeathStare Thu 12-Jan-17 09:53:57

As long as they are in separate rooms/tents then I can't see a problem.

They may not be able to tell you whether a boy is actually going but they should be able to tell you whether the children will be in single-sex rooms.

DeathStare Thu 12-Jan-17 09:55:38

Oh it's a trans bashing thread. I hadn't realised as you didn't make that clear in your original post. My fault for not reading the article first I guess

DanaBarrett Thu 12-Jan-17 09:55:57

The guidelines say they won't make a distinction, children will be treated as their preferred gender.

Allthebestnamesareused Thu 12-Jan-17 09:57:50

Oh dear - it will be just the same as when those pesky girls infiltrated beavers and cubs won't it?

Babieseverywhere Thu 12-Jan-17 09:58:06

@Deathstare No, it is a thread about girls who attend girl groups and my concern about my three daughters who attend over night stays and their rights to privacy especially my 10yo.

TheClaws Thu 12-Jan-17 09:58:24

Ah, but you haven't been clear, have you?

JumpingJellybeanz Thu 12-Jan-17 09:58:51

I didn't realise it was against the law to identify someone as trans without their consent. shock

Allthebestnamesareused Thu 12-Jan-17 09:59:18

Sorry didn't realise it was trans bashing. You do realise they won't be remotely interested in your DD don't you?

Reality16 Thu 12-Jan-17 10:00:09

Oh ffs.

Babieseverywhere Thu 12-Jan-17 10:00:45


No, it is not the same as cubs. I also have a cub and his pack is mixed with boys s nd girls. The girls and boys are separated by sex for toilets, changing and sleeping activities and that is just fine.

Guides intend to have a boy IN with the girls and not tell the girls or the girl's parents.

Why lie if you are doing the right thing ?

Allthebestnamesareused Thu 12-Jan-17 10:00:59

So your daughters' rights to privacy - do they have solo tents etc then?

Allthebestnamesareused Thu 12-Jan-17 10:01:36

Where are they lying?

HughJarss Thu 12-Jan-17 10:01:38

What are you afraid of, OP?

TheClaws Thu 12-Jan-17 10:02:23

If you read the article properly that you took such care to post the link to, Babieseverywhere, it is about the trans children's privacy, also.

Lulu1083 Thu 12-Jan-17 10:02:52

Did you read the article Deathstare? They won't tell you, because the transperson is what gender they identify as...

It does seem all about them, I know it's guidance meant for dealing with trans at girl guides but it doesn't seem to have consideration for anyone else's feelings - how they might feel sharing rooms or getting changed, sharing toilets etc. Especially if it has to be kept a secret. I'd imagine very confusing for a young girl to realise but not be told the truth if she asks.

rightsofwomen Thu 12-Jan-17 10:03:17

death you need to read the guidelines. This is about trans members.
Boys who identify as girls are welcome to go to Guides and there is no requirements for other parents or Guides to be told.

So, my son might identify as a girl, join guides, share living, changing and showering space with girls and there is no requirement for the parents of those girls or the girls themselves to know.

I'm guessing Scouts have the same guidelines?

Identityhidden Thu 12-Jan-17 10:03:49

I can't see this being a very common problem at all; there can't be that many young people identifying as trans to start with and only a few of them would be inclined to get involved with girlguiding surely? Prepared to be told I'm wrong though.

I suppose if the young person changes separately the other girls in the group would just not know/ not realise. Probably more stress than benefit involved for the young person that's trans though.

Allthebestnamesareused Thu 12-Jan-17 10:04:16

So the article is upfront about their policy so they are not lying! It is now your choice if you want to withdraw or not .

ICJump Thu 12-Jan-17 10:05:53

Can children get GRC ? if not they need to be treated as thier born sex in relation to sex based rules.

GinIsIn Thu 12-Jan-17 10:06:37


ArcheryAnnie Thu 12-Jan-17 10:06:46

All residential youth accommodation should be sex-segregated, not gender-segregated. If there are kids who don't want to share space with others of their sex (whatever gender they are) then they should be provided with somewhere else safe. If I was told my kid would be going into sex-segregated accommodation and it turned out to be merely gender-segregated, then I would kick off something awful.

And the idea that Guides should withhold information on this from other parents is just wrong. It's up to adults to keep kids safe, not to expect girls to do it themselves all the while adults are pressuring them to shut up and take it.

scottishdiem Thu 12-Jan-17 10:06:51

So what does the OP think that the trans girl going to do (or as the OP puts it, a boy). Suddenly become a sex pest? I get that people dont understand trans issues but I dont understand why this makes trans children sexual assaulters. I also dont get why trans children are not allowed privacy either.

DailyFail1 Thu 12-Jan-17 10:07:54

Guide policy and good on them. Its up to you to remove your kids if you don't like it. biscuit

BigBadWolves Thu 12-Jan-17 10:09:33

As a parent of a trans child I can confirm that they would be unlikely to want to change in front of the other kids at any rate due to their own confidence levels, but honestly I don't understand the fear that OP has. A trans child is no more likely to be a "pervert deviant bully weirdo" than your DD's are.

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