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To be HORRIFIED that this might be taught in my daughters school

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NormaStanleyFletcher Tue 20-Dec-16 13:47:48

Have any of you come across this? Do you know if this, or other lessons have been presented to your primary (or secondary) age children?

NormaStanleyFletcher Tue 20-Dec-16 13:48:34

NormaStanleyFletcher Tue 20-Dec-16 13:49:40

You would think after 10 years here I would be able to do links first time


sotiredbutworthit Tue 20-Dec-16 13:50:11

Surely it's about educating kids to be more accepting and understanding. The article sounds a little one sided to me. Who wrote it?

midsummerwoods Tue 20-Dec-16 13:52:12

Well, it looks like some silly business someone has dreamed up to try and jump on the snake oil bandwagon .

NormaStanleyFletcher Tue 20-Dec-16 13:57:08

The "silly business" has government funding though.

EagleIsland Tue 20-Dec-16 13:57:50

This whole gender identification thing seems to be pretty strong in the U.K. Over here something like this wouldn't fly.

I will be honest and will say that I don't understand the whole thing fully. As far as my simple mind understands, there are 2 genders. People are one or the other, or there are people who are born into the wrong body and swap from one to the other.

Captaintango Tue 20-Dec-16 13:58:24

It's very one-sided, I would be looking for a much more balanced article before getting pearl clutchy about it. This anti trans trend is getting old quickly. hmm

NormaStanleyFletcher Tue 20-Dec-16 13:58:36


Not as one sided as that literature sounds.

BeyondIBringYouGoodTidings Tue 20-Dec-16 14:00:08

There are people who feel they should be the other sex/identify better with the stereotypes of the opposite 'gender', @EagleIsland

As far as science has yet discovered, there is no "born in the wrong body"

PeteSwotatoes Tue 20-Dec-16 14:03:35

I'd be more horrified about kids using tumblr and so on. The school stuff is just symptomatic of the fact that society is swallowing this trans myth whole.

EagleIsland Tue 20-Dec-16 14:05:23


Thank you for the clarification,

hazeyjane Tue 20-Dec-16 14:08:01

There are 2 sexes - male and female, and there there is a very rare condition called intersex, where people can have physical traits of male and female biology. Gender is made up by society to say that boys = football, boisterousness, action heroes,trousers and sludgy colours and girls = ballet, niceness, make up, dresses and pastels. As we know this is rubbish - girls can do or like all the things people say are 'boys stuff' and vice versa. You cannot change your sex, but you can be and like whatever you want.

This is what I have told my daughters.

glentherednosedbattleostrich Tue 20-Dec-16 14:09:23

FFS, this is getting ridiculous now.

We don't offer people with anorexia liposuction, we don't accept trans racialism as yo can't change race, we don't chop peoples legs off if they believe themselves to be disabled, we don't accept trans speciesism.

But tell kids they can change sex yeah fair game.

Radical iidea but how about we takje thius gender bullshit our of schools and just let kids be kids. Let therm explore their identities withour sticking our adult bullshit onto them.

glentherednosedbattleostrich Tue 20-Dec-16 14:09:57

And what hazeyjane said.

Manumission Tue 20-Dec-16 14:11:25

It doesn't sound good.

Educational institutions need to be pushing back with (at a minimum) the idea that words have defined meanings.

Anybody know if 1984 is currently on the English curriculum?

ems137 Tue 20-Dec-16 14:11:51

I think opinions and teachings like the above can be very damaging to impressionable, confused teenagers. I speak from first hand experience with my 17 year old brother who put of the blue announced last year he was transgender.

It became apparent that a "friend" on the internet had been encouraging this opinion and pushing him into it. He then researched the best things to say to the doctors to begin treatment. I told him if these feelings were genuine he wouldn't need to research the best answers!

Our mum had been ill with cancer on and off for 2 years and spent a lot of time in hospital. He was confused, impressionable and quite possibly confused about his sexuality not gender.

1 year later luckily his treatment never began and he's happily living as a male.

PeteSwotatoes Tue 20-Dec-16 14:12:58

Trans awareness is now on the curriculum at medical schools as well. Essentially the message is that you have to treat the person as whatever they identify as being, and you have no right to ever mention that a person is trans in a medical letter to another specialist even if medically relevant as it is transphobic.

CancellyMcChequeface Tue 20-Dec-16 14:13:46

YANBU at all. hazeyjane has it right - gender is a social construct, and reifying gender roles like this isn't good for either boys or girls. The pink and blue brain stuff is unscientific nonsense.

I don't work in schools any longer, but if I did I'd be horrified if I was expected to teach this sort of thing.

BertrandRussell Tue 20-Dec-16 14:16:14

I think I'll wait til I can hear about it from someone other than the Daily Mail and their fri nds before I get too ariated about it........

ILostItInTheEarlyNineties Tue 20-Dec-16 14:16:29

It has gone the other way now with the younger generation. It is quite trendy to be transgender and write a Blog about your journey, join groups and so
It's great that these issues are accepted, but I'm uncomfortable with them being promoted or 'fashionable'.

thatcoldfeeling Tue 20-Dec-16 14:18:35

I am, to paraphrase the OP, "HORRIFIED". Not at the article, but at the complete ignorance of non-binary gender shown on this thread.

PeteSwotatoes Tue 20-Dec-16 14:19:49

cold nobody is binary.

Male and female are biological sexes. Gender is a set of misogynist stereotypes imposed by society that constantly fluctuate according to fashion.

Manumission Tue 20-Dec-16 14:20:28

Criticise the link for being partial Bertrand, by all means (it is, it's a group concerned about the trans trend). But to characterise it as DMish in anyway is misleading.

Stormtreader Tue 20-Dec-16 14:22:05

Im always confused that there are many reported cases of people being so distressed by their body having the "incorrect" sexual attributes of breasts or a penis that they have cut them off, and yet they seem to think that could be avoided if someone had told them that girls are allowed to like football hmm

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