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to think that this HT should not be so openly criticising parents?

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AllTheLightWeCannotSee Sat 17-Dec-16 19:32:25

I am really quite cross about this.

You get the gist of the article without having to go through the paywall.

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotland/citys-schools-highlight-a-world-of-difference-between-rich-and-poor-63m6hb677

Within half a mile (google maps says 0.2 of a mile, in fact) there are two more schools, and their results are significantly higher. Given Scottish admissions, the catchment areas will overlap (esp. with the Catholic school).

I think she is very wrong to go to the papers in this way.

Haggisfish Sat 17-Dec-16 19:33:54

Behind a pay wall so I can't read. If it's about parents not valuing education and not supporting schools, then I will agree with her.

steff13 Sat 17-Dec-16 19:34:23

I can't get past the fact that the photograph makes it look like her sweater says, "Ho," on it.

Boundaries Sat 17-Dec-16 19:35:34

Without going through the paywall it looks like an article saying social deprivation = lower attainment?

Which, broadly, is true.

SoggyDays Sat 17-Dec-16 19:36:33

From the tiny bit I can read I would observe that no one has to smoke cannabis round their kids.

AllTheLightWeCannotSee Sat 17-Dec-16 19:36:58

Yes, the jumper is a tad unfortunate.

There are three schools within 0.3 of a mile from each other. Two have high results and hers has low results. I don't think she has a leg to stand on blaming parents when those other schools (in the same location) manage to do so much better.

SoggyDays Sat 17-Dec-16 19:38:16

I don't see how going to the papers will help though.

SoggyDays Sat 17-Dec-16 19:38:44

Yes it seems misdirected energy.

AllTheLightWeCannotSee Sat 17-Dec-16 19:39:31

It surely will not endear her to the parent body.

VeryBitchyRestingFace Sat 17-Dec-16 19:40:32

She looks quite young to be a head teacher, doesn't she?

<completely misses point of thread>

GreatFuckability Sat 17-Dec-16 19:41:23

Who names a child Julie in 2006?

<misses the point >

AllTheLightWeCannotSee Sat 17-Dec-16 19:42:51

Aw, Julie is a lovely name.

Do you think she looks young? I thought she looked mid-forties.

FeckinCrutches Sat 17-Dec-16 19:43:27

I think if parents are smoking joints at the school gates she probably doesn't care anymore.

Boundaries Sat 17-Dec-16 19:44:00

Have now read full article.

It's doubtful that she will have "gone to the papers".

I don't see what she is saying that you object to, OP? Her catchment is very deprived, she's trying to do something to address that.

whyohwhy000 Sat 17-Dec-16 19:44:20

This is the full article:

At Aultmore Park primary school in Glasgow’s Easterhouse area, it is just before 9am. Parents are dropping off their children and the smell of cannabis smoke lingers in the air.

Statistics published this week indicate that more than four in ten of the school’s pupils are underperforming in writing and less than 70 per cent are achieving the required standards in reading and numeracy. It is no coincidence that more than 90 per cent of its pupils live in the most deprived parts of Scotland.
Six hours later, on the other side of the Clyde, mostly middle-class parents mingle outside the gates of Langside primary in Shawlands as they wait for their children. Less then 10 per cent live in an area associated with extreme poverty. In all four areas of attainment measured, more than 90 per cent of the school’s pupils are achieving their Curriculum for Excellence benchmarks.

The two schools, less than ten miles apart, are in many ways in different worlds. The clear link between poverty and educational achievement is repeated throughout the country.

Nicola Sturgeon has staked her reputation on reducing the attainment gap between rich and poor and Gillian Kierans, the head teacher at Aultmore Park, is on the front line in delivering the first minister’s “defining mission”.

Ms Kierans, 44, who was recently the runner-up in a UK-wide head teacher of the year contest, faces issues that her counterpart at Langside will rarely encounter. Drug and alcohol abuse among parents are problems at every school, she said, but many on her patch have also been targeted by loan sharks in the run-up to Christmas. Some children, she admitted, turn up not as well fed as she would like, while many of their parents lack confidence and have few books at home.

Her office is something of a shrine to improving the life chances of the children at her school — a display on the wall features slogans such as “equity” and “closing the gap”. There is now a focus on improving attainment because of politicians’ interest, Ms Kierans said, but for her it has been a lifelong mission.

She said that the figures, published as part of a package of reforms by John Swinney, the education secretary, may be misleading.

“There’s an awful lot of other things going on in a school apart from statistics,” she said. “We’ve always looked to close the gap for our children. We’ve always had a very clear focus on reducing inequality. Part of it is looking at parents and looking at how we can support them.”

The school has recently begun inviting a parent counsellor in once a week. There are regular visits to museums, while a few years ago Ms Kierans organised a school trip to Paris.

She already has plans for how to spend the £1,200 allocated for each child entitled to free school meals that was promised in this week’s budget, adding that it may allow her to buy new maths equipment or embark on more school trips away from Glasgow.

She said: “There’s always going to be some level of a gap, but it can be much smaller. It’s a social justice thing, it’s not just education that’s going to close it.”

Some parents, though, are pessimistic. Many use profanities when asked about the school, while others refuse to engage.

“I think it’s quite weak,” said William Logan, 44, whose son, Benjamin, six, attends the school. He says he is unsurprised by the underperformance revealed in this week’s statistics. “It’s just typical for an area in poverty. Not enough’s being done. If it was in the West End, it’d be better funded with better teachers.”

At Langside, it is a different story. Parents are universal in their praise of the school, citing the efforts of Christine Wilson, its recently retired head teacher. As well as providing inspirational leadership, there is strong engagement from parents.

The school is by no means dominated by the super-rich, but many parents are in well-paid professions. Remco De Blaaij, 37, who is orginally from Holland, sends his son Joas, six, to the school. Mr De Blaaij is curator at the Centre for Contemporary Arts on Sauchiehall Street.

Another parent reveals that she did not apply for a job after learning that it paid only £27,000 a year — a salary that would be considered astronomical for many in Easterhouse.

When one parent, Richard Brown, 59, a former journalist, was asked what would happen if a bad teacher appeared at Langside, he replied: “It wouldn’t be tolerated.”

Anne Poole went to school in Parkhead, a deprived area of Glasgow, and says that her children’s experiences at Langside contrast sharply with her own. “When it comes to parents and teaching, there have never been any problems at all. I think money is the difference — both how much the school has and how much the parents and children have.”

SoggyDays Sat 17-Dec-16 19:45:32

It would send me over the edge tbh and possibly spilling my guts to the Times could seem therapeutic.

AllTheLightWeCannotSee Sat 17-Dec-16 19:48:51

A. Park's results were:

Reading: 60%
Writing: 50%
Numeracy: 60%

but 2 schools within 0.2 of a mile both had 80/70/80.

Can 0.2 of a mile make such a difference? Why have those HTs got better results and are not in the press moaning?

AllTheLightWeCannotSee Sat 17-Dec-16 19:50:03

public.tableau.com/profile/sg.eas.learninganalysis#!/vizhome/AchievementofCurriculumforExcellenceCfELevels201516/Dashboard1

Link to results for Scotland.

Boundaries Sat 17-Dec-16 19:52:51

So you are talking about schools other than the ones in the article?

Without looking at the context data it's difficult to tell - but yes, that distance can make all the difference. Can you link to the other school ofsteds?

SoggyDays Sat 17-Dec-16 19:52:58

I just think it's wrong to say a bad teacher wouldn't be tolerated. There are variable teachers about whatever area you live in.

GreatFuckability Sat 17-Dec-16 19:53:33

Julie looks about 10.

AllTheLightWeCannotSee Sat 17-Dec-16 19:56:56

I posted the link to all CfE results- choose Glasgow and the 3 schools in question are A.ultmore Park, S.andaig, and Our Lady of P.eace. They must be able to see each other from their playgrounds!

I'd argue it's a damn sight easier to teach in Langside than Easterhouse too.

SheldonCRules Sat 17-Dec-16 19:59:07

Social deprecation usually means lower results regardless of quality of teaching, there's only so many schools can do.

To compare to neighbouring schools you need more data than just results, you need the number of FSM children, numbers of children etc.

Boundaries Sat 17-Dec-16 20:00:33

What do YOU think is going on, OP? You seem personally very offended by her?

GreenTureen Sat 17-Dec-16 20:00:46

Can 0.2 of a mile make such a difference?

I think it can, yes.

Where we live there's a very long main road going through the centre of the town which is like a housing divider. On the left is a very large council estate. It has a school in the centre of it which is very poorly performing. On the other side of the main road is mainly private housing and the Primary school there is outstanding. They're less than half a mile apart.

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