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Temporaryname137 Fri 04-Nov-16 15:51:44

Just booked DD's first MMR jabs and I can't help but be really nervous about it. I know it's far better than the alternatives, I know it's far better than risking spreading nasty diseases to people with compromised immune systems, I know Wakefield was hugely discredited. But I can't help feeling irrationally wobbly about it!

Please help me to see some common sense?

Soubriquet Fri 04-Nov-16 15:53:41

The illnesses are much worse than side effects

Don't risk your child's health

PurpleDaisies Fri 04-Nov-16 15:54:36

Recognising your worries are irrational is the first step. You're absolutely doing the right thing for your daughter. Would it help to chat up your health visitor/midwife/GP? This is one time when Google isn't really your friend-there's a LOT of quackery out there. I'd stick to the NHS website or patient.co.uk for information.

amusedbush Fri 04-Nov-16 15:54:38

Vaccinate your kid. That's it.

PurpleDaisies Fri 04-Nov-16 15:55:27

Chatting up your chosen health professional isn't the way forward...just chat to them! Oops.

Arfarfanarf Fri 04-Nov-16 15:56:46

My children both have autism.

Neither of them had the mmr because they were due it right at the time all this Wakefield rubbish first came out and we were worried.

My eldest was clearly autistic from birth but my youngest had the classic regression.

Had he actually had the mmr then very probably I would have been leaping up and down insisting the two were related and possibly would not have accepted anyone telling me otherwise, who knows.

But I can see that it happens, with or without the MMR.

Personally, I think it's genetic. I think eventually the gene that causes it will be identified. Or genes, if it turns out that autism is an umbrella for a number of similar/related conditions.

Common sense really is the fact that it was widely discredited. Having read now how it was all done I am staggered that it was reported at all. Deeply dodgy.

QuilliamCakespeare Fri 04-Nov-16 15:58:32

I've had mumps and it was bloody miserable. I was in agony, looked like the elephant man, and kept fainting. I was lucky enough not to have any complications but, still, I really wouldn't wish it on anyone.

Temporaryname137 Fri 04-Nov-16 16:01:47

It's not a question of not having it done, by the way, so no worries there. I nearly died of measles as a 2 year old, and I had nasty mumps too. And DP has no patience with non vaccinating. I just want to feel happier about it, as you should if you are lucky enough to live in a country where it's given, and given for free!

Thanks all!

MothertotheLordsofmisrule Fri 04-Nov-16 16:02:06

Please vaccinate, the illnesses they protect you against are horrible.

Wantingtobeseen Fri 04-Nov-16 16:03:07

Agree with ArfarfanArf.

There is lots of very good research to show that mmr does not cause autism.
Genetics do play a role and there are likely to be other environmental factors too.
Research has shown no link between autism and mmr.

GiddyOnZackHunt Fri 04-Nov-16 16:04:11

My dd has MMR and she has ASD. However the two are NOT related. She had signs that she was different from birth. Very subtle but they were there.
DS had the MMS too. He doesn't have ASD.
Wakefield has not been 'hugely discredited'. He's been completely and totally discredited.
Try not to worry but it is horrid taking a toddler to be jabbed with needles. Worth it though to avoid measles alone!

Kel1234 Fri 04-Nov-16 16:05:24

Arfarfanarf- so nice to read someone shares my view. My brother has autism and associated conditions. He had the mmr, as did I before him and my sister after him. I study SEN at uni, and I 100% share your view that autism is genetic.
OP, the doctor who said there was a link was struck off. I never believed there was. I never thought twice about it.
Do it, for your child.

BeyondReasonablyDoubts Fri 04-Nov-16 16:05:43

I've had measles and mumps and they are awful diseases that children do die of.
I'm also autistic. People don't generally die of that.

x2boys Fri 04-Nov-16 16:07:09

i held off having ds2 having the mmr due to concerns about autism he had it in nursery by which point he had already been diagnosed with autism and learning disabillities nobody really knows the causes or autism and i personally beleive there isnt just one cause in ds case its thought to be because of his chromosome deletion but the mmr link as you say has been widely discredited.

AndNowItsSeven Fri 04-Nov-16 16:08:04

My dd caught measles on the epidemic in 2012 she was 13 months old and due her immunisation the following week.
She spent seven days in hospital unable to eat or drink. She also developed pneumonia as a secondary infection.
She caught measles due to unvaccinated children.

Temporaryname137 Fri 04-Nov-16 16:10:20

I didn't put my OP well at all, sorry for confusion. An edit button would be great for idiots like me!

It's not autism that I'm worried about, although I am really grateful to everyone who's kindly shared their experiences and thoughts. I shouldn't have mentioned Wakefield. What I have is more an irrational panic that she'll go into a really high fever and die or be left with brain damage or something like that - I panic so much at the thought of anything happening to her!

Boundaries Fri 04-Nov-16 16:12:50

It wasn't just discredited - Wakefield lied. He was struck off because of the way he carried out his research.

He paid for samples.
He was paid for advice by solicitors employed by parents who believed the MMR damaged their children.
He altered medical histories to fit his theory.
...and many other reasons to not believe him. The BMJ explains it well here: [[ www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c7452 ]]

Smartleatherbag Fri 04-Nov-16 16:13:25

It is nerve wracking being a parent.
Trust me, any side effects are as nothing compared to the effect of measles. I've nursed kids with measles. It's terrifying.
Of course we worry, that's how we've survived as a species. Acknowledge that and accept you'll worry, but do it anyway.
Very best wishes

redexpat Fri 04-Nov-16 16:14:39

Oh a bad reaction? Has dc reacted that way to any other vaccines? Im not sure what you get and when in the uk so sorry if this is his first and ive asked a stupid question.

Arfarfanarf Fri 04-Nov-16 16:15:35

oh, sorry, yes with you mentioning Wakefield yes I did think autism.

many children do experience mild side effects after their jabs.

give them some calpol and cuddles and they'll be fine.

If you're concerned there is always the option of the gp.

I know it's daft to say try not to worry but I can't think of anything else to say grin

AnUtterIdiot Fri 04-Nov-16 16:17:44

Apparently I was mildly ill after the first MMR injection and was given the remaining ones separately as result. I have literally no memory of this and am very glad that I didn't get measles, mumps or rubella.

Temporaryname137 Fri 04-Nov-16 16:18:23

She had a bad reaction to the Men B in that her little leg swelled up like a big sausage, and we ended up in A&E - all was absolutely fine thank goodness, but I don't think it helped my melodramatic worrying tendencies!

Timeforabiscuit Fri 04-Nov-16 16:19:23

I'm doing a public health masters course, the wakefield paper was the first journal article we were given to critically assess.

I was ignorant of the paper, but as we had lectures on hierarchy of evidence, bias, importance of randomised and systematic sampling, it became apparent that the work was not of a quality.

Then i read up on the fall out this ONE paper had, it was monstrous, so many outbreaks happened, so many deaths - because the bmj published it people mistook this as a sign of rigour and quality sad

I cant emphasise enough how much you should really wipe that particular mmr investigation from your mind, yes vaccines can have side effects - but these are usually to do with the additives needed to either enhance the vaccine effect or storage ability. The mmr is a widely used, rigorously tested one - but still read the guidance and double check for things like egg allergy (although I believe these are being phased out).

Also, the vaccine schedule is really important i can well rember the ball ache that was booking in all these vaccinations - but having read through the bills of mortality on outbreaks, it just pales into insignificance.

Candlelight123 Fri 04-Nov-16 16:21:05

I spoke to my gastroenterologist about this as it was also reported that the vaccination can cause crohns & I have crohns. This is what she said:
The risk of brain damage, deafness and other serious complications from catching measles is far far higher than a 'theoretical' risk from mmr.
The cohort for testing was flawed, it was done on kids of an age where typically autism presents and children taken from a particular ward in a hospital.
The report should have never been published and under more stringent recent guidelines would have never been allowed to be published.
My kids have had it.

Okkitokkiunga Fri 04-Nov-16 16:22:22

I was totally prepared for DD to have a reaction (PFB). I had calpol on standby was hovering over her. A couple of hours after jab she started to get upset, red faced crying and then screaming. Whipped my calpol out, dosed her up but t didn't work. I'd gotten so caught up in watching her for a reaction, I forgot to feed her. She was starving. Major parenting fail.

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