To continue to wonder who is happy with where Brexit is heading

[Bearbehind]

Whilst I'm sure Leavers will undoubtedly think AIBU the last thread filled up so here's another 1000 opportunities to discuss what you think about where Brexit is heading.

[LurkingHusband]

It's a week or so since you first asked ?

Still

No.

[ilovesooty]

No change from the day of the result. Still not happy.

[Brexit]

[Valentine2]

Hello. Nice to see that the discussion is going strong. (Has mumsnet allowed its members to send friendly kisses ? I want to kiss all you great and knowledgeable people who taught me so much. Economics is not my subject and you need an essential understanding of this subject as well as a good grip on history of EU to understand where this whole situation is heading).

[ImperialBlether]

I think a reasonable imagination tells you it's going nowhere good, Valentine!

I'm very, very depressed about this. I've been through the Thatcher years and Iraq and the miners' strike etc and this has depressed me more than anything else has.

[Mumzypopz]

Perfectly happy thankyou....but not sure anyone really knows where it's going....so no need to get excited yet....there are a lot if what ifs...and unknowns....think we just need to wait and see....there's a couple of years to go till we will really see some results....

[Valentine2]

imperial
I am still paying the price of what we lost in the recession. DH is insisting we leave UK because he doesn't see any future for his children and our business plans if we are not in EU. It's my home they are playing dice with

[ToujeoQueen]

Still a NO from me

[Valentine2]

I sometimes wonder if I chose the wrong field of work. I was fascinated and still really love science. But if I had chosen economics and finance, I would probably have more options than before because the universities and research institutes are fucked if this goes through. Already so much has stopped in my field.

[MagikarpetRide]

Every day and it seems we lose our compassion from official levels just a little bit more

[ClaudiaApfelstrudel]

absolutely not, no

[Lottapianos]

No, utterly horrified. Still hoping that the whole thing will fall apart and Article 50 will not be triggered. The whole thing is what The Daily Show would call 'a clusterfuck'

[twofingerstoGideon]

Mumzypopz
but not sure anyone really knows where it's going
This is part of the problem for many of us. Care to tell us the positives? We're struggling here!

[paintingisfun]

I am not sure who is happy but I am certainly not. Also really glad that the discussion is alive and well on here and generally good natured, I spend about an hour a day reading about Brexit, trying to get my head around it and trying to convince myself that it might be alright in the end but failing dismally.

[Mumzypopz]

There's lots of possibilities and opportunities for all of us.. .twofingerstoGideon and unfortunately lots of people scaremongering too......

[paintingisfun]

So my DH's company has frozen all investment and recruitment for the foreseeable future, how is that an opportunity exactly?

You are undoubtedly one of the voters who wanted to give Cameron a bloody nose and didn't see any further than that

[Mumzypopz]

Painting is fun.....couldn't give a stuff about Cameron actually....stand by my decision....and this is a forum...so lots of people have different opinions from others, and shouldn't be harangued for it....after all, we won the vote so quite a few people thought the same as me. I just think we should wait and see and not get all depressed about it...we haven't even come out yet.

[Bearbehind]

Bugger, I filled up the last thread then got the link on the last post wrong

[fakenamefornow]

No

Did you get a score from the last thread? I think it's a shame you didn't also ask which way people voted as well because it's only Leave voters views that matter in the UK now so it's more significant whether they're happy or not. The 48.1% are irrelevant.

[cardibach]

Mummyzpopz we get that you had, and have, a different opinion. We're just asking how you arrived at it. What opportunities and possibilities are you seeing? Just asking for a bit of detail rather than 'it'll all be great now nobody is telling us what to do' (nobody was telling us what to do before).

[SallyMcgally]

What I find really baffling about the idea that we've voted to become more democratic by getting ourselves away from the EU is that there are elections in the European Parliament, as opposed to, let's think, the House of Lords. Has any Leave voter registered any kind of annoyance about being ruled by an unelected, wasteful system within their own country? I haven't seen any sign of this at all. This makes for interesting reading though:


Aug 2015



In our new report, House of Lords Fact vs Fiction, we took a look at some of the enduring myths that surround our unelected second chamber.

Peers are technically unpaid, but unlike the thousands of people around the country who volunteer in their local communities each week, members of the House of Lords effectively get to pick how much they get in allowances. Just for checking in, Peers can claim either £150 or £300 tax-free depending on how much they feel they deserve. On top of this they can claim expenses for limited travel costs.

Between February 2014 to January 2015, £21 million was spent on handouts to members of the House of Lords, with the average Peer receiving £25,826 tax-free – despite the chamber only sitting for about 130 days of the year. For the same cost as 780 part-time peers we could have 300 democratically-elected and accountable peers on an MP’s salary.

Whilst many Lords will put in a full day’s work for this money, there is nothing to stop a Peer coming to London for the day, popping in to the Lords bar for a (subsidised) sherry, before claiming their travel and £300 for a night at the theatre.



Is this happening? As Lords don’t have to justify their claims it’s hard to tell, but we know that in the 2010-2015 parliament, £360,000 was claimed by 62 Peers for years in which they did not vote once. In the last session of parliament alone, over £100,000 was claimed by Peers who did not vote at all – and research we’re releasing this week in the Daily Mirror will show that thousands is also claimed by Peers who fail to speak on the floor of the House, too.

Of course the cost of running the House of Lords isn’t just their allowances – there’s all the other infrastructure costs too. The net operating costs of the House of Lords in 2013-4 were £93.1m, approximately equivalent to £118k per Peer.

So whilst on the basis of allowances and expenses, an additional 100 Peers would cost almost £2.6m, this is likely an underestimate of their true costs. Firstly, new Peers tend to be younger and more frequent attendees, meaning they will be higher allowance claimants. Secondly, these figures do not include office costs, including the extra staffing, food, admin and Parliamentary staff costs associated with having extra Peers.

According to David Cameron, the rationale for reducing the number of MPs from 650 to 600 was to ‘cut the cost of politics’. But the design of the House of Lords – with Prime Ministers facing an incentive to pack it full of cronies and secure a majority there - means the costs of patronage in our unelected chamber will only ever increase.

[Mumzypopz]

Cardiback. Don't recall saying anything about "nobody telling us what to do"?

[Valentine2]

mumzy
We haven't even come out yet but Bank of England has already made sure our tax money pays the price of the fall in £. And the price of everyday goods and foods will increase from next year. Banks have explicitly said they will move because the loss will be too big for them otherwise.
What do you have to say on these things specially the loss to our economy of the £ falling so much and please also tell us how you compare it to if we had not voted Leave and would have given the money to EU. What would have been the loss then?

[paintingisfun]

mumzy ok fair enough you don't care about Cameron, presume you don't give a hoot about jobs then either or the opportunities you spoke of for employees at my DH's company? You didn't mention that bit of my post I see.

I am not haranguing you just baffled interested and I do think that leave voters who are so smug do owe us just a small explanation as to what they think will happen now?

[pointythings]

What makes me saddest is that a lot of my DDs' friends will now not have the opportunity to study excellent courses, taught in English at great EU universities, at the same time avoiding the huge student debts that they will now be racking up in the UK. I'm making damn sure my DDs hang on to their EU passports. Fortunately my home country allows dual nationality for under 18s if they take on another nationality - I am not so lucky.