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To believe you cannot go into work while signed off sick?

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whatishistory Mon 17-Oct-16 11:10:56

I'll try to keep this brief. I work for a university. I have had a university library book recalled so that it is now due while I'm signed off sick. I've explained the situation to the library, but they've refused to do anything and will fine me £1 a day.

I know it sounds a small amount, but we have two DDs and my DH was recently made redundant so every penny counts.

I always thought that you're not supposed to go into work/be on the premises while signed off due to insurance purposes. AIBU to email HR and ask for their advice? I've done nothing wrong here. There's nobody else who could go to my office and take it to the library as we are closed down for reading week. My husband and DDs are away visiting grandparents. (The school's are off here in Scotland).

I'm a teacher and was signed off in the early summer when I was diagnosed with a brain tumour. I still popped in to see classes/discuss phased return etc. Wasn't in any way a problem, and write common I'd imagine for staff to go on while signed off to discuss return etc.

acornsandnuts Mon 17-Oct-16 11:15:59

I'm sure you can go on site as long as it's not in a work capacity.

OohMavis Mon 17-Oct-16 11:16:35

Hmm, I suppose it would depend on what you're off sick for? If I was signed off for anxiety or depression for example, I'd still have to do the shopping. Under those circumstances I'd pop quickly into work to drop something off.

If it's something you're bedbound with then obviously not, and I'd be telling them that.

2014newme Mon 17-Oct-16 11:17:17

It's fine to return a book. That is entirely different to attending work. We don't let people work whilst they are signed off but they can drop items off if need be. If your condition means you are bedridden then either a friend will need to return the book for you or it will have to wait till your husband returns.

MaddyHatter Mon 17-Oct-16 11:17:19

you shouldn't go to work as if anythin happens IN work, they're not insured.

I don't think that extends to returning a library book any more than it would you popping in to hand in a sick note.

Nan0second Mon 17-Oct-16 11:17:22

Yes you can go in to return a library book or for meetings with occ health or your manager or to collect payslips...

dementedpixie Mon 17-Oct-16 11:17:28

You're only dropping a book off, not working so I would just go and take it back

popthisoneout Mon 17-Oct-16 11:18:19

You can't work while signed off as you're not covered but you can go in to the premises.

MaudGonneMad Mon 17-Oct-16 11:18:47

Your department shuts down entirely for reading week? Really? Nobody around at all? I find that hard to believe.

Pickitup Mon 17-Oct-16 11:19:04

Can you post it?

quasibex Mon 17-Oct-16 11:19:33

It's only an insurance problem if you're signed off with mobility related issues. For example I wasn't allowed on the premises when I broke smashed to pieces my leg from a H&S perspective. However I'm currently on long term sick for something different and would be permitted on premises if required.

Sundance01 Mon 17-Oct-16 11:19:36

My understanding is that you cannot work - returning a book is not work

Jinglebellsandv0dka Mon 17-Oct-16 11:19:56

Your dropping a book off not working. It will be fine.

MyKingdomForBrie Mon 17-Oct-16 11:20:55

Of course you can go in to drop off a book! Or if you're too ill to leave the house, have some one post it. If the library is closed the they would be UR to charge you for the period you're unable to return it.

TheProblemOfSusan Mon 17-Oct-16 11:21:01

Where I work the fine would accrue, but as soon as you came back with the book and the doctors note showing you were off sick the library would wipe the fine. I've never heard of libraries fining anyway - and personally I don't think libraries should be fining staff at all.

BowieFan Mon 17-Oct-16 11:22:58

When I was signed off work last year (had a spate of bad panic attacks) I had to go in once or twice to discuss pay slips and a phased return. I don't think there's an issue as long as you're not doing any of your work duties.

Nurszilla Mon 17-Oct-16 11:24:50

Could you post it?

Whathaveilost Mon 17-Oct-16 11:29:14

Wouldn't dropping off a book be similar to dropping off a sick note?

In fact when I was off sick for a while we have to have meetings with our supervisor and HR and we are invited to have the meetings at work or at our home. ( I chose a third alternative and had them at a neutral venue)

JosephineMaynard Mon 17-Oct-16 11:35:28

I'm pretty sure you're allowed to be on work premises as long as you're not actually working.

Certainly at places I've worked before, people signed off as sick have popped in to drop stuff off, or have meetings with HR / managers about return to work.

It's only the ones who actually tried to work as normal - before being cleared as fit to return - who found themselves being told off by HR and escorted off the premises.

shovetheholly Mon 17-Oct-16 11:42:03

That sounds like a ridiculously harsh policy. Every university library I have borrowed from (and there are a LOT) has waived fines if you present a sick note from the GP. Hell, some of them don't charge at all for overdue books unless they have been recalled.

Remote99 Mon 17-Oct-16 11:45:29

I work for a university and we are not allowed to bring children under the age of 18 onto the premises without completing a risk assessment form first and getting permission

Carriecakes80 Mon 17-Oct-16 11:52:15

I worked at a school and I would go in whenever I could to try and stay abreast of things happening. I was signed off with severe migraine and anxiety and told work that I needed to keep up with people if I was in any way ever going to be able to return. No probs returning a book hun xxx Hope you're ok. x

ThumbWitchesAbroad Mon 17-Oct-16 11:55:40

Yes, the insurance thing only applies if you go into work to DO actual work, I'm pretty sure.
You'd be fine to take the library book back in.

mumwithatum Mon 17-Oct-16 11:58:06

As a manager we often have staff into work to meet with them regarding occupational health reports etc... and staff are expected to make themselves available for these. If they refuse we have to get them assessed by occupational health to check their fitness to attend meetings. Sometimes we have had staff on long term sick come into work for a cuppa as part of their recovery.
If you have a good reason that you can't - I.e mobility issues or if you were infectious it might be worth ringing HR. If it's just that you don't think you should you could still call HR and check the policy but I would prepare to be disappointed with their response

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