was I being U to quit?(36 Posts)
I've worked in the same place for a few years now.
Its a chain type place with lots of stupid regulatory rules made by HO, but not something I can challenge, change or control (or anyone else in my workplace for that matter- including regional and general managers)
My career progression goes like this.
Position A( Where I started) Position B, position C and so forth.
I got to position B very very quickly, but haven't progressed at all, which happens, I get it.
But its the way I'm being sidelined that hurts and is really hurting my passion for this job.
For example, the first time the promotion became available, I went for it, didn't get it due to a internal superior candidate (fair enough and expected 100 percent) this was 2yrs back. 3 months after superior candidate got the job they were transferred out to another site. Job went up again,
Offered internally and externally (for application), Internal candidate from another site (But same brand) came down and filled the position. Weren't superior to me but oh well...
Then they left, 6 months later. I did the job for 6 weeks as a stand in at no pay rise or recognition formally, told I had a good chance of being kept on, then last minute a cock up happened with one of our other managers and HO filled both that managers role (it was a spectacular cock up that cost the business 10k, they needed replacing) but also the role I was standing in for, so again, I was sidelined
Then that person that filled role C left, I went for it. someone else from our brand (Who works in a totally different part, think chef v waitressing, which is essential to the other but absolutely not the same) went for it and got it as it meant same salary for them but working less (60hrs v 35). They thought they could handle it. They can't, they know it. But they can't stand down.
If they stand down it means going to position A, rather than back to their old position, which is a salary cut that they cannot afford having just got a mortgage at their current salary.
I'm constantly stepping in to stop this person from fucking us up, badly.
I had to come into work at 0 minutes notice (Got told basically fucking get here ASAP) because an official inspection was underway but this person had walked out there and then because they didn't know how to deal with it. I dealt with said official inspection and did well with it. Certain bits of paperwork need doing, this is falling to me, team training and new regulations that team needs to be aware of, falls to me. I have to do the weekly rota because this person does not have the time. They do not enjoy the job, they are openly quite miserable and want to be back in their old job. Today things came to a head when I rather unprofessionally threw a shit fit and told said new person that I shouldn't have to do their fucking job for them at 10k a year less. I listed off both of our job description, pulled out rotas, paperwork, some data etc and said come on then tell me what the fuck you've done for the duration of your job. What on earth have you ACTUALLY done? they then looked sheepish and admitted they'd done very little of their job role and that the things they do are closer to my job role rather than theres. They admitted they had no idea how to do half of the stuff I do.
I know, by now I sound a cunt. I know. But I don't mind helping out, I really don't , but theres a difference between x is short on time please help with this and x can't do this, please do it.
anyway. My outburst made said person go to the manager and explain, who phoned the regional manager and requested a transfer for said person.
Regional manager says no. Computer says no type response.
They can't transfer out. All they can do, yet again, is stand down to job role A which they won't do. but they're slowly and surely running the business into the ground. It hurts that I didn't get the job tbh but thats fair enough I guess I'd learn to take it on the chin if I wasn't doing their job for 0 recognition and 0 pay... To add insult to injury I fixed a stock loss of 1k recently and they got a performance related bonus of 4k for stock control... Cheers.
I tried to explain this to the regional manager but no not good enough, We're not allowed any more salaried positions, as if said person moved to another department onto salary then someone would need to step into their job and move from hourly to salary and then we'd have too many salaried positions (we currently have 4 )
I put in a request for 2 weeks holiday. got it granted quickly and then gave my 2 weeks notice. I'm not going back. Since then I've had managers phoning to tell me they need me back, would I consider coming back please, I've made a mistake etc... aibu to stay long gone?
Oh god, I don't blame you, I really don't. Can you say.... I'll come back in X role, otherwise no.
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Are they offering you role C if you go back?
You might as well be really hard-nosed about it. "I'll come back in the position I want, with the salary I want, or I won't come back." Then stick to it.
You're probably better off not being there anyway, TBH.
The only position they want me back in is my current (or soon to be ex) position... tbh if I got offered position C i'd definitely be tempted but I really can't see it happening
Do you have any bargaining power at all if you go back?
Awful. If there is no option for position C then I wouldn't go back. You are not being valued; you're being used. Never go back - always go forwards. Good luck! You sound like a great employee!
Then no, don't go back. The only other thing that occurs is that if Role C person isn't happy, would they swap roles with your B? I know its £10k less but that has to be more than role A....it also may only be my workplace where people swap jobs though
Switching was suggested as that would've been doable for them (just, if they did 10hrs overtime per week) but thats not allowed either, for a reason I wasn't told nor do I understand. Its bizarre as we were both up for it and I would've been willing to train them up
See what I mean? stupid amounts of rules, regulations etc set by HO that very few understand and much less agree with.
DO NOT go back under any circumstances that are not
- you have the role you should officially
- salary increase commensurate with role
- back dated bonus for work you have done
Fuck them, they reap what they sow and you know your worth. They either recognise it or live without you
These rules often relate to hiring, staff, wages etc. Even if its particularly busy and we HAVE to call in someone to help, the system will only allow us to put a certain amount of people in. It works backwards sometimes, Wednesday is a very slow day, Sunday is a very busy day that we NEED the staff in for, but we're allowed more staff on Wednesdays. I also once got a random paycut of 3p per hour, the only other person on site that had it happen to them got theirs cut by 2p per hour.
Its all very strange, none of it makes logical sense and very few of it makes financial sense... * sigh *
Have you considered making noises about constructive dismissal?
Well done you for standing up for yourself. You were being used.
Well done for standing up for yourself.
Do not go back unless they offer you job C with decent pay, and backdated bonus. Fuckers. Let them learn the hard way. If you want people who can do the job then you need to pay them properly. If not then your business will fail.
I put in a request for 2 weeks holiday. got it granted quickly and then gave my 2 weeks notice. I'm not going back
You are my new hero. That is what I dream of doing. So does this mean you just..disappeared?
It means I don't have to work for 2 weeks then I no longer work for them, so while I still technically work there I don't have to go in.
Someone I know did similar. She wangled 4 weeks straight for a holiday, where normally the max was 3 weeks, put her notice in and walked out.
No. don't go back. they're only using you. cut all contact with them now.
It sounds as though you have been very much taken advantage of by the company if you have had to do all this picking up the pieces of someone else's cock-ups. If this person is so incompetent why on earth are they not firing him/her?
However, as far as going back is concerned, if you want to consider it (which only you can decide) you must go and lay down clear ground rules for your return. If you are going to be doing role C you get the pay for it and all that goes with it. Get a commitment in writing to this before you sit down at a desk.
I was once asked to return to a job from which I had been made redundant about 6 weeks previously. I went to discuss my return with a list of about 10 points I wanted agreed to if I were to return (including more money since I had already found another job which was paying more). The frankly rather wimpish manager I saw showed my list to his sister who was a co director and she then wrote to me suggesting that I was U to make these requests. It was no skin off my nose as I was still in the new job. Of course I ended up getting made redundant from that after a year but that's another story!
One other thought - does the company have any system of appraisals at which you could/could have discussed the issues?
Don't go back unless it's at the higher role with the higher salary. They're taking advantage of you and I'm glad you've put your foot down.
I would say, having passed you over for promotion 4 times, they do not value you, and will continue not to value you if you go back.
I would move on.
Nope, I wouldn't go back. They are not willing to promote you. 'I'm not being valued. I need to move on.'
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