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To be fed up of comparisons with 1930s Germany in U.K. politics?

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jessica29054 Wed 05-Oct-16 19:48:22

Surely a better and far less potentially offensive comparison is the 1980s?

Labour in disarray, therefore weak opposition, and a female PM of course.

Comparisons with the rise of the extreme far right in Germany have little place. The BNP are the equivalent to Hitler and his party and thankfully have little mainstream support.

cardibach Wed 05-Oct-16 19:50:57

I'm more fed up with the parallels between 1930s and British politics which lead to the comparisons, tbh.

WhoseBadgerIsThis Wed 05-Oct-16 19:51:53

Er, you know that support for the Nazis started off gradually don't you, bit like with UKIP now...

UnderTheGreenwoodTree Wed 05-Oct-16 19:52:44

What cardibach said.

MyKidsHaveTakenMySanity Wed 05-Oct-16 19:52:52

The SNP are having a good crack at making the English as loved as theJews were... Slippery slope.

HermioneWeasley Wed 05-Oct-16 19:53:25

YANBU - it's hyperbole and makes the poster look faintly ridiculous.

You know Americans boggle at the idea that the conservatives are a right wing party?

Realhousewivesofshit Wed 05-Oct-16 19:53:33

Totally. Think some posters been at the gin or are generally hysterical drama lamas.

I totally and utterly agree about the 80s and said just that in another thread.

Labour imploding due to militant infiltration and an unrestrained Tory government.

Labour will implode at the next election under Corbyn.

May will probably get in 2/3 times and Corbyn supported will blame everyone but themselves.

MaudGonneMad Wed 05-Oct-16 19:53:37

Here's the BNP manifesto from last year. Quite a lot filched from there by Theresa May, it seems to me.

jessica29054 Wed 05-Oct-16 19:53:45

I am aware of that.

However, most things are gradual. It isn't something that was in any way exclusive to 1930s Germany.

Attitudes to abortion gradually changed, towards corporal punishment, towards drink driving. That's the way of the world.

Allfednonedead Wed 05-Oct-16 19:54:15

Fascism is your friend.

This is why you're wrong -

Selfimproved Wed 05-Oct-16 19:54:26

I am so scared for the UK. I wish it would all go away sad

jessica29054 Wed 05-Oct-16 19:54:34

Hermione, I know. So do the French. I have a number of French friends who are baffled by our idea of "right wing."

BicycleRider Wed 05-Oct-16 19:55:10

Um, Theresa May has just suggested that companies publishe the percentage of non-British workers they employ. What will come next? Publish numbers from each country? Each religion? Each race?

As a non-British worker, Im scared.

allegretto Wed 05-Oct-16 19:55:42

What do you mean "most things are gradual"? That if something is gradual we should just let it happen because it's "the way of the world"? That's nonsense. Attitudes change because people make them change - it's not like the weather. It's not something that just happens!

JustAnotherPoster00 Wed 05-Oct-16 19:56:30

Wont be long before 'the immigrants' the way that gets said boils my piss have to wear some sort of symbol to show that they are immigrants, all for their own protection and betterment of course fucking fascists angry

Twogoats Wed 05-Oct-16 19:56:32

YANBU. It's a lazy, dramatic, comparison; usually wheeled out by people losing an argument.

jessica29054 Wed 05-Oct-16 19:57:20

Do you really think that, JustAnother?

dinosaursarebisexual Wed 05-Oct-16 19:57:21

I agree it's more like the 80s. Feck.

TrollTheRespawnJeremy Wed 05-Oct-16 19:57:22

I think that it's a good analogy in the fact that those living through it at the time cannot view what is happening as a far bigger, and potentially disturbing problem.

Re: regime etc they are not similar. But in the same way that the Nazi's gradually came to power through populist propaganda- creating a massive rise in racism and xenophobia, this current Govt situation has the makings of a rise in the same.

Scary thought.

GhostofFrankGrimes Wed 05-Oct-16 19:57:49

Ah Brexit denial. This has nothing to do with Labour and everything to do with the horrid dog whistle politics from the usual suspects. This country just got a whole lot nastier. Race hate crimes up, Eu workers being used as bargaining chips, companies having to list foreign workers. Horrid times.

BicycleRider Wed 05-Oct-16 19:58:01

Also, Hermione, Americans who have a more in depth understanding of British politics DO consider the Tories to be very, very conservative.

Allfednonedead Wed 05-Oct-16 19:58:16

My grandmother was studying in Germany in 1935. She had to fill out a form to say if any of her relatives were Jewish. She put 'all of them' and fecked off back to the US.
How do you think I feel knowing my employer may have to report they're employing me, a foreigner, and my children have to report their citizenship to the school?
I don't think it's the exact same - I don't think the Tories are the Nazis, but they are certainly not warding off the possibility.

jessica29054 Wed 05-Oct-16 19:58:45

I don't think the current government came to power through populist propaganda. UKIP, possibly but they aren't in power.

I think the Tories are in power due to lack of credible opposition.

I feel like getting a perm to fit the 80s vibe.

TheForeignOffice Wed 05-Oct-16 19:58:56

OP if you're fed up then you can also check out Pol Pot's attitude to "liberal elites", intellectuals and "new people" for a bit of variety. HTH.

JustAnotherPoster00 Wed 05-Oct-16 20:00:33

jessica29054 yes I really do, if this current xenophobia is allowed to run its course then its a 'logical' hmm way to go

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