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To think that my teaching timetable might be against legal number of hours?

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TypicallyEnglishMustard Thu 08-Sep-16 13:43:51

Hello, sorry this is in the "wrong" place, traffic on the staff room looks very slow.

I teach in secondary as an English teacher. This is my fourth year, but the first time this has occurred. Not sure if this is right, so posting for advice!

My school operates a week A/week B timetable. Initially, I had one PPA on week A, and three PPAs on week B. I've just been informed by SLT that one of my A level lessons has been moved into the PPA on week B. So, I now have four PPAs on week A, but none at all on week B.

Is this allowed?? Obviously, I'm slightly bricking it at the thought of an entire week of teaching with no PPA, and if it's legal, I'll just have to learn to cope. sad Does anyone know if this is okay?

TypicallyEnglishMustard Thu 08-Sep-16 13:45:00

* sorry, I meant three PPAs on week A and one on week B at the start... Apologies, already panicking!

user1471455728 Thu 08-Sep-16 13:46:09

Are you in a union? The rep at your school should be able to advise. Good luck.

TypicallyEnglishMustard Thu 08-Sep-16 13:47:49

I'm in NASUWT, but unfortunately there's no rep at my school. Should I speak to the staff welfare officer? Or is that a bit much?

Gmbk Thu 08-Sep-16 13:49:53

You're allowed 10% of your teaching time as ppa.

So you're teaching 44 hours over a fortnight so should have 4.4 hours of ppa.

Not sure if they are allowed to round down though!

Your school sounds awful!

fizzicles Thu 08-Sep-16 13:50:41

Don't know if it's 'legal', but it certainly sounds unreasonable. I'd definitely be contacting union for advice. Have you talked to your line-manager about it?

TypicallyEnglishMustard Thu 08-Sep-16 13:52:20

I definitely have 4.4 hours of PPA, just none of it now falls on one of the weeks. I just already feel exhausted at the though of a full week and no planning/prep time at all.

TypicallyEnglishMustard Thu 08-Sep-16 13:53:19

Thank you all for responding and being so helpful.

My line manager doesn't have an issue with it. He says it's the way it has to be because of A level subject clashes across the school.

DoubleCarrick Thu 08-Sep-16 14:00:16

I used to have a full day every other week.

I think as long as you're getting the amount of time you should be, it's ok

itoldyouyouwouldntlikeit Thu 08-Sep-16 14:04:10

They can put it all in 1 week so long as you get the time but your school is miserly with free time - I get 4 fortnightly and I only work 3 days.

GoblinLittleOwl Thu 08-Sep-16 14:09:32

Ring the local union rep, but I think as you have the correct percentage of PPA for your timetable the school is doing nothing illegal.

user1471426611 Thu 08-Sep-16 15:33:04

Unfortunately although this a really grotty timetable it isn't illegal as you have the correct number of PPA.

TypicallyEnglishMustard Thu 08-Sep-16 16:06:32

Thanks so much for the help and advice, everyone.

I've emailed the staff welfare officer (who is lovely), and asked to have a chat about it. If nothing can be swapped around and changed, I hope she can give me some advice on how to manage on that week. We also do a compulsory hour's intervention after school every day, so am anticipating being very exhausted at the end of a week B! I'm only in my fourth year, and haven't dealt with this before. Am also 8 weeks pg, so was thinking ahead to possibly be more knackered in the spring term!

winewolfhowls Thu 08-Sep-16 16:06:36

I had a timetable like this once, it was crap.

One solution, make one or more of the a level classes a twilight session, giving you an hour off in the day, better still make them a double. You get through more anyway.

ilovesooty Thu 08-Sep-16 16:26:18

In the days before PPA I once had a weekly timetable where all my non contact time was on a Monday apart from one lesson on a Tuesday. As a secondary English teacher it made planning and marking very difficult - and utterly miserable during the weeks that Monday was a bank holiday.
I think you're right to raise the lack of balance and seek support.

Gmbk Thu 08-Sep-16 16:35:42

Compulsory intervention sounds illegal. Unless that is included as part of your teaching timetable.

Boundaries Thu 08-Sep-16 16:44:02

If you have a compulsory additional hour at the end of each day that counts as directed time. Unless your ordinary school day is super short, I'd imagine that would put you well over?

Boundaries Thu 08-Sep-16 16:46:24

1265 hours over 195 days is directed time.

TheZeppo Thu 08-Sep-16 16:54:43

That is an evil timetable. How much 6th form do you have? If lots on week A, I'd be hammering independence in that week. It'll help prepare them for uni too smile

Waffles80 Thu 08-Sep-16 18:12:30

we also do a compulsory hour's intervention after school every day

This has to be part of your directed time.

If NASUWT don't have a rep in your school, do the NUT? If they're more active I would join them and collectively take a stand against piss-taking intervention.

TypicallyEnglishMustard Thu 08-Sep-16 18:14:35

Staff welfare officer has responded, I'm going to meet with her before school tomorrow morning, so will hopefully get some advice then. Or a sympathetic ear at least! My department don't care very much.

The after school intervention is pretty crazy here. A group of the staff are currently trying to contest it, so I'll have to wait and see what happens there. Our school day isn't very short, it's 6.5 hours including lunch break.

I have loads of sixth form, Zeppo (and I love it!), but only on that busy week I'm afraid! Just my luck. I think I'll book out some slots of that week as supervised research in the library though, so at least I can catch my breath a bit then.

Waffles80 Thu 08-Sep-16 18:16:37

The after school intervention is pretty crazy here. A group of the staff are currently trying to contest it, so I'll have to wait and see what happen.

Are you part of that group? Or sitting with your head under the parapet hoping their action will reap rewards for your rights as a worker? Unite with them.

Welshrainbow Thu 08-Sep-16 19:34:23

Sadly yes it's legal just poor planning on someone's behalf. Honestly if I were in that position and 8 weeks pregnant I'd be going of sick with something pregnancy induced.

Boundaries, directed time sadly doesn't apply to academies and free schools they can pretty much do what they like. With compulsory enrichment and intervention and duties, form times etc everyone at my school is well over directed time even though we still have extra PPA, the day is just so long.

RealityCheque Thu 08-Sep-16 19:45:06

Our school day isn't very short, it's 6.5 hours including lunch break.

Fuck me! How on earth can that number of hours be fair!!!! For three whole quarters of the year too!

Jesus. Some of you dont know you're born.

Trifleorbust Thu 08-Sep-16 19:50:35

Get a new job. Your school is taking the piss. I'd ask where you live so I could get your CV myself if it wouldn't be 'outing' 😂

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