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To expect people to pay their share of tax

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ChrissieS79 Fri 05-Aug-16 07:01:25

Was at a BBQ at the weekend in my street and one of the neighbours who's a self employed window cleaner/gardener/odd jobs kinda guy after a few too many white wine spritzers proudly announced to anyone who'd listen that he pays almost no tax coz his work is cash in hand.

Went on to boast about upcoming holidays and a new car when the new reg plate comes out in Sept.

I know it shouldn't bother me and that it doesn't affect me directly but it's got my blood boiling, and wondering how much of this goes on

lilydaisyrose Fri 05-Aug-16 07:03:23

I have no issue with tradespeople etc doing 'homers' for cash I hand in conjunction with their usual business, but he sounds like a knob. Report him to HMRC, you can do it anonymously.

ProfessorPreciseaBug Fri 05-Aug-16 07:03:43

If he is not paying enough tax, the revenue will catch up in a while when someone shops him for having an expensive life without the income to afford it.

ChaChaChaCh4nges Fri 05-Aug-16 07:04:59

What's a "homer"? Is that like mates-rates?

ChrissieS79 Fri 05-Aug-16 07:05:33

Yeah odds and ends in the evening for cash is fine. Crafting an entire job and life out of it isn't....

OneEpisode Fri 05-Aug-16 07:09:05

I'm not ok even with "odds and ends" in cash.

Binkybix Fri 05-Aug-16 07:11:24

Were there lots of people at the BBQ? If so I'd report. Can't stand tossers like this.

DownWithThisSortaThing Fri 05-Aug-16 07:15:47

I'd report him OP
If he goes around bragging about not paying tax, he can hardly be surprised that eventually HMRC hear about it. Idiot.

ChaChaChaCh4nges Fri 05-Aug-16 07:18:12

Working for cash or at mates-rates is fine - so long as it's declared to HMRC and to CMD (being self-employed and not declaring all you earn is a very efficient way of evading paying child maintenance, not just tax).

According to HMRC's Tax Gap analysis, the UK loses £5bn a year through small businesses not declaring all their income. It's illegal. That compares to £1bn a year lost through large companies involved in (legal albeit distasteful) tax schemes.

ChaChaChaCh4nges Fri 05-Aug-16 07:18:39

CMS, not CMD.

notjusttheirmum Fri 05-Aug-16 07:43:38

not U at all! he should be paying like the rest of us.
but I can see why people don't want to pay tax

callherwillow Fri 05-Aug-16 07:45:44

I know I should be appalled but I have to admit if it was me I'd probably do the same. Annoyingly my money is snatched from me without my consent!

Roussette Fri 05-Aug-16 07:48:31

Of course it's not right! If we all went round with that attitude the whole of society would crumble! Who does he think does pay the tax that allows him to drive on the roads maintained by the taxpayer? He sounds a total arse.

OK to the odd job for cash for friends but beyond that, it is very wrong.

StillStayingClassySanDiego Fri 05-Aug-16 07:50:42

'Homers?'confused extra work outside of a tradesman' day job is known as a 'foreigner' and has been for donkey's years.

Is this the new politically correct way to address it now?

TheNaze73 Fri 05-Aug-16 07:51:14


Oblomov16 Fri 05-Aug-16 07:51:17

I think you may be naieve. Lots of people do it. Big business hire the top accountants to try and pay as little tax as possible. Huge business like Google and Costa pay as little as possible.
All varying degrees of tax avoidance, verging on tax evasion.
Your little man is like so many other small sole traders.
Sad but true.
Leaving PAYE employees like me and you to take the brunt.

lilydaisyrose Fri 05-Aug-16 07:54:29

Is this the new politically correct way to address it now?

No idea about political correctness, it's just what it's known as here. Perhaps we don't all have same words for things? confused

callherwillow Fri 05-Aug-16 07:56:17

Lily, you used a word another Mumsnetter didn't know. You're wrong. Don't attempt to argue!

StillStayingClassySanDiego Fri 05-Aug-16 07:58:17

callherwillow any particular reason for your arsey post?

GlindatheFairy Fri 05-Aug-16 08:01:20

Willow's post was funny. Yours was the arsey one.

ExitPursuedByABear Fri 05-Aug-16 08:01:43

Homer sounds very American.

It's a foreigner to me.

But that has all sorts of implications doesn't it.

Roussette Fri 05-Aug-16 08:02:27

Even if lots of people do it, it doesn't make it right.

And this bloke sounds like an extreme. I know small traders and they pay tax. They might do a couple of jobs for cash in hand, but on the whole they pay tax. This man doesn't pay any by the sounds of it! Awful. And I'd be shopping him as he's taking the piss

Trills Fri 05-Aug-16 08:03:37

'Homers? ['confused] extra work outside of a tradesman' day job is known as a 'foreigner' and has been for donkey's years.

Your phrasing there sounds as if you are telling people that they are using the WRONG word. You sound quite rude and as if you think you are superior.

You probably did not mean to come across that way.

Complaining that things you are unfamiliar with must be due to "political correctness" never makes someone look clever, and often makes them look intolerant.

It was called a homer in the 90s where I grew up. I've never heard it called a foreigner.

Perhaps it is, like many slang words, something that comes in regional variations.

StillStayingClassySanDiego Fri 05-Aug-16 08:04:06

grin, not an arsey intention at all from me, I suppose it's how you choose to interpret the tone.

Each to your own and all that.

SciFiFan2015 Fri 05-Aug-16 08:04:31

Use homer in Scotland.

My understanding is mates rates is that everything is still official you just get a discount for being a mate. Hence mates rates.

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