To wonder why casual or even overt racism is acceptable on MN?

(151 Posts)
RedHareWithBlondeHair Fri 22-Jul-16 22:23:36

Just this - there's a thread in Site Stuff asking the same but I'd like to ask the wider MN audience why is this fine. Just in the recent past we've had a poster questioning an 'apparent' adam's apple on one of the greatest female athletes and another poster hellbent on telling us that Police violence on black men isn't a 'thing'. In these threads HQ HAS left the thread to stand and in their words " we felt that the discussion that followed was interesting and informative and educational for the OP." Why is that? If I started a thread about Taylor Swift being an attention seeking whore or a thread about ADHD children just needing a telling off I'd be deleted within the hour. Why the fuck do other MNetters think ethnic minorities are up for grabs? Why does HQ think the same? In the thread on Site Stuff there's only an apology. This sort of shit happens repeatedly. Why?

peachpudding Fri 22-Jul-16 23:05:36

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Thornrose Fri 22-Jul-16 23:09:42

or a thread about ADHD children just needing a telling off I'd be deleted within the hour. you really wouldn't. Horrible disablist posts are regularly left to stand!

PaperSnowAGhost Fri 22-Jul-16 23:11:52

Yes, police violence happens to white people but it happens a lot more to black people, especially in America, you only need to look at statistics to realise that.

PaperSnowAGhost Fri 22-Jul-16 23:13:38

The reason why it should be 'broken down' into skin colour is because this is quite blatant that black people are subject to police brutality so much more.

UmbongoUnchained Fri 22-Jul-16 23:14:47

peach are you being sarcastic?! I can't tell

Samcro Fri 22-Jul-16 23:16:19

Today i am confused
I have seen so many disablist threads being left to stand in the name of education
Yet you the op use adhd as an example
Racist posts shoud be deleted
But i have been on here for 10 yrs and disablist posts are still left quite often

UmbongoUnchained Fri 22-Jul-16 23:17:21

I think the issue is they both need to be dealt with quickly and efficiently. Not left up for hours at a time.

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Samcro Fri 22-Jul-16 23:19:18

Yes umbongo, they should be, mn hq should have zero tolerance for racism and disablism,
But they dont

JohnJ80 Fri 22-Jul-16 23:19:55

Casual racism and bigotry of all kinds has become normalised. The internet is to blame. What used to be confined to the pub can now be broadcast to audiences of millions. Their are hideous tirades about Syrian refugees on Facebook that have received thousands of likes and millions of views.

Unfortunately we can't uninvent it.

UmbongoUnchained Fri 22-Jul-16 23:22:47

I'm effected by both disablism and racism. My disability though I can manage and hide, my race there is absolutely nothing I can do about it so the racism hurts me a lot more.
Fucks me off that people still have these views.

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Willyorwonte Fri 22-Jul-16 23:26:43

I've complained about blatant racism and it was left to run on the grounds of being informative!
It was out and out racism. But there you go in the other hand...
I think sometimes people expressing themselves in a clumsy way offend others unintentionally.. Language and education are rapidly changing so its hard to keep up with new pc terms. It's no wonder someone is always feeling upset, unintentionally quite often imo.

UmbongoUnchained Fri 22-Jul-16 23:27:13

Yep. I get suspended for calling someone out for being a tosser yet racist posts are fine.

UmbongoUnchained Fri 22-Jul-16 23:28:15

I can't get mad at ignorant racists. Because you can help being thick. But when it's full of hate and is malicious, that's when I get angry.

UmbongoUnchained Fri 22-Jul-16 23:28:29

Can't help *

CrazyDuchess Fri 22-Jul-16 23:29:14

It's not a case of trying to "uninvent" racism whatever the hell that means what the OP is asking is why is overt racism allowed to stand because MNHQ deem the conversation educational??

CrazyDuchess Fri 22-Jul-16 23:29:23

It's not a case of trying to "uninvent" racism whatever the hell that means what the OP is asking is why is overt racism allowed to stand because MNHQ deem the conversation educational??

JohnJ80 Fri 22-Jul-16 23:30:50

That said, I do think the policing of politically incorrect opinion goes too far. Providing someone isn't being abusive but just talking misinformed bollocks, it is sometimes better that they are engaged with and challenged rather than censored. I was just on the Guardian altercating with some wanker who thinks unaccompanied Syrian children should be abandoned to whatever horrendous fate because 'we don't have enough space for them'. But if he'd been moderated that exchange couldn't have happened. Not a big believer in this 'safe space' stuff,: it stifles debate. And plus there sometimes are legitimate criticisms of liberal positions.

JohnJ80 Fri 22-Jul-16 23:31:18

I meant uninvent the internet.

CrazyDuchess Fri 22-Jul-16 23:31:35

willy
I've complained about blatant racism and it was left to run on the grounds of being informative!
It was out and out racism. But there you go in the other hand...

This is exactly what my complaint is about - if someone said it to my face in the street they would be breaking the law..... yet here racism is allowed in the name of education...... educating who??!!!???

CrazyDuchess Fri 22-Jul-16 23:32:32

John - please do not minimise what has been said about black people in some of these threads.

Samcro Fri 22-Jul-16 23:34:50

I hate this bollock abut how it stifles debate
People can have a debate without being racist or disablist

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