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to ask EU citizens living in the UK (who do not have a British passport) how they feel about the UK post Brexit and whether they plan to stay in the UK if allowed?

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evilcherub Fri 22-Jul-16 18:06:04

Speaking to friends who do not have British passports a few have told me they feel uncomfortable here now, like they are seen as "other".

So, if the Government announces with certainty that EU citizens who have been living here and fulfilled the requirements to stay here will be allowed to stay, will you want to stay?

Do you feel differently about the UK since Brexit and do you feel unwelcome in the UK now?

alltouchedout Fri 22-Jul-16 18:12:09

DH feels hurt, rejected, unwanted, vulnerable, angry, confused and very much 'other'.

He'll stay because this is where his life, wife, children, in laws, friends and job are. But he definitely does feel very differently about the UK and he definitely feels unwelcome. As I'm sure some people (not all brexiters, before people start shouting at me that they aren't xenophobic and their vote wasn't about migrants and they are just so upset to know that anyone feels this way) intended.

CanadaMoose Fri 22-Jul-16 18:15:07

I'm not from Europe (I am Canadian), but as an immigrant without a British passport, I feel extremely unwelcome. The public doesn't want people like me to take their benefits (even though I qualify for none) and feel I am taking their jobs (I work in job whereany more people are needed). Fortunately for me, I am white and therefore am not discriminated against race-wise, but I feel for so many who are not in my position.

The UK has become visibly less tolerant and open, and it makes me very sad that the country I truly wanted to live in because of its open-minded values has become so prejudiced and openly xenophobic.

Neverknowingly Fri 22-Jul-16 18:42:39

My DH is a non-EU immigrant although from a country that is generally welcomed by the UK and British people (white, English speaking etc) but nevertheless he can't wait to get away now. Sick of the anti-immigration "but of course not you, mate" comments. I completely understand where he is coming from. Our house will be on the market within the next month and we are outa here ASAP. Unfortunately we will have to leave the equity we realise on deposit in the UK since it's worth bugger all elsewhere now.

EssentialHummus Fri 22-Jul-16 18:55:22

EU immigrant here. It's complicated. I definitely feel less proud to be living here - I had always thought of the UK as being vibrant, open, tolerant, meritocratic etc etc, and I feel that I woke up in a different country altogether as the Referendum campaigning got under way.

Pragmatically, I'll probably apply for British citizenship when I can so that I don't feel insecure about my right to remain. But we (DP is Russian) are much more likely to leave now. He's already been offered roles in Europe and the States, and I can work from anywhere. I just feel that my ties to this country have been severed a bit. It's a shame, after nearly a decade here (and over £100,000 in income tax!).

esornep Fri 22-Jul-16 19:50:17

My DP and most of our colleagues from elsewhere in the EU are looking to leave. Not just because they feel unwelcome (despite being highly skilled, internationally renowned researchers) but because the higher education sector is going to be badly hit. Even before we have lost any EU funding, we are losing international students and contracts from abroad. The downturn in the economy will also mean that there is even less UK money for research (and the government has already cut research funding considerably in real terms) and that salaries will decrease even more (again they have already been falling in real terms because of austerity). Nobody believes that the EU funding we lose will actually be replaced. Some fields of research are just dead in the water now.

facepalming Fri 22-Jul-16 19:59:24

My DH feels exactly as all touched out's DH does. It's hard for me too to hear the comments people are ok about making out loud now.

For example we sat in a restaurant at the weekend and DH was talking to DS2 in his native tongue - a lady on the next table was very loudly discussing how disgusting it is that people come here and don't talk English and what a good thing brexit was to put a stop to it.

My DH is highly educated, pays a lot of tax and speaks perfect English. He speaks his language to our children so that they will have the benefit of a second language but people now often huff about it or talk to him slowly!

I'm glad my kids are too little to undersrand why their own countrymen don't want their father here sad

Lndnmummy Fri 22-Jul-16 20:10:09

Eu migrant here, been here 20 yrs and have always paid an enormous amount of tax. I feel heartbroken and unwelcome as a result.
It has shown me a "them and us" attitude that I genuinely did not know existed.
I thought I belonged, that this was my home.
I will stay, my husband and son are British bit it has changed how I feel about Britian,

BananaChew Fri 22-Jul-16 20:14:10

I have nothing to add other than to say I'm so sorry you have been made to feel this way. I'm ashamed that our nation has made you feel this way sad

DailyFailAteMyFish Fri 22-Jul-16 20:21:12

CanadaMoose I am in a similar position.
I have not lived in Canada for 15 years but am now thinking of uprooting my family. I no longer feel at home here.

facepalming Fri 22-Jul-16 20:22:13

I think it's worth to note that it seems there is a worse feeling towards certain eu immigrants than others - adefinite east / West divide

CremeEggThief Fri 22-Jul-16 20:25:59

I plan to leave once my DS finishes school here in 5 years. I'm from the Republic of Ireland originally, but have been here for 20 years, since I was 18. I'd go sooner, but it would be too disruptive to DS's education. I am hurt, angry, bitter and puzzled by the way this country has voted and I doubt I can forgive it or the Leave voters.

catbasilio Fri 22-Jul-16 20:26:23

I am EU immigrant. Have been here 10 years, DC born here, ex-H British, have worked in a demanding job (created by non-EU employers) non stop. Gathered a local (mostly British!) community together.

Like others I felt like I belonged. Not anymore.

PoppyAmex Fri 22-Jul-16 20:30:07

EU immigrant here.

I settled (and started a family) in Scotland and people around me are extremely frustrated with the result of this referendum.

The large majority of Scots voted to Remain and I'm happy to say I feel very welcome here, but I'm still very weary about our future in the UK.

ChangedToday Fri 22-Jul-16 20:30:51

I'm like Lndnmummy

I went through a depressed couple of weeks thinking about my options. Stressed about the new climate, but I live in one of the clear remain areas, so things have not changed and everyone I meet day to day was a remainer. I do think about speaking my native tongue to my kids in public now though.
However, options I have none. My life, work, house, husband, family are here. Kids born here. Totally integrated, I only have 2 friends from my home country. Been here since I was 18 in the 80s, I can't even talk about my work in my mother tongue. I never 'decided' to emigrate, I chose a career direction and of the options open to me I chose the UK, just because of the type of studies I was pursuing.
So yes when the general mood towards immigration and refugees already turned a bit ugly after last summer, I applied for naturalisation, got it in time to vote in the referendum, but I'm still very sad that I felt the need to do this. But my life is here, there is not 'back', so I might as well accept it. I have never had a bank account outside the UK for instance.
Though right now my British passport is something I'm rather embarrassed about. Oh and I have always paid my taxes and not had to resort to benefits.

Lindy2 Fri 22-Jul-16 20:31:17

I have 2 family members who are non UK living in London/SE England. Both plan to stay long term and continue to feel welcome here. One is from Ireland and he qualified for a vote. He voted out. The other is from Hungary. He is applying for permanent residency. If he'd had a vote it would also have been out.
There are many varied reasons for why people voted out. Not just immigration. No doubt however, I will now be ripped to shreds because I know people who exercised their democratic right to have their own opinion.

AdorableMisfit Fri 22-Jul-16 20:35:57

I'm an EU immigrant. I've been in the UK for 18 years and like Essential said above I feel like I woke up in a different country the day the referendum result was announced. I've never felt unwelcome before, but now I do. I don't however have any plans to leave. My life is here - my British husband, my British child, my career which is very specialised and not really transferable to another country without additional training. I'm like Changed - I don't even know the words for what I do in my first language. So my plan is to apply for permanent residency & then citizenship as soon as I practically can, but it really irks me to be forced to pay a fortune to become a citizen when I came here on the understanding that I'd be able to stay without needing to pay for it.

Anicechocolatecake Fri 22-Jul-16 20:35:59

It's awful hearing how unwelcome people feel. I think diverse societies are much better societies and I for one am glad so many people have chosen to make the UK their home. We will be a worse place if people leave. All of my friends feel that too.

ToxicLadybird Fri 22-Jul-16 20:38:10

I'm a Brit living in another EU and I no longer feel welcome in Britain. A real nasty attitude towards us has come out too. We're 'traitors'. We've 'abandoned the country so should have no rights'. Any impact on us from brexit is entirely our own fault and a result of our choices. etc.

We've just cancelled our upcoming holiday in the UK and to be honest, the way I'm feeling right now, I don't ever want to go back. I never thought I'd ever say that.

lolo14 Fri 22-Jul-16 20:40:28

I too feel sad after reading some of the posts on here. People of different nationalities enrich our society, the diversity in this country is amazing. I hate to think that some British people have taken it upon themselves to be rude to others in public. It's shameful.

DaffodilsAreMyFav Fri 22-Jul-16 21:05:42

I am Irish and have lived in the UK for 20 years - my DP and 2 kids are British. I am settled and have worked hard to build a life here but I have never felt less welcome and more inclined to go "home".

MrsBobDylan Fri 22-Jul-16 21:12:21

This is the most depressing thread I've ever read on MN...I was born here and bloody feel like leaving because I don't particularly want to share a country with a significant section of people who voted to leave Europe. I don't want to be part of a country that's not in the EU. I feel like some did it because they are small minded racists, some allowed themselves to be conned through greed and the rest are just stupid.

All I would say is that I really hope people don't leave because we really, really need you.

MrsTerryPratchett Fri 22-Jul-16 21:13:56

Brit in Canada here. It's far from perfect in Canada but I have to say I was shocked and unhappy when I was watching the referendum results. It's made me feel differently about the UK. And differently about Canada as well. This is the prime minister of Canada welcoming new Syrian refugees to Canada.

Fauchelevent Fri 22-Jul-16 21:27:10

My DP is from the EU. We will probably leave if we can. He and his friends, and a lot of people from the EU that I know are shocked and feel like the anti immigrant sentiment was one big middle finger to all their hard work. Some feel like a level of unwelcome they didn't know existed has been unveiled.

I'm British born and own a passport but my family came to the UK from a non-EU country and we are not white. For me, I have always felt unwelcome and that those with strong and far right anti-immigrant sentiments feel the same way about me. The rise in bigotry isn't really a surprise to those who have been facing it for their entire lives.

popmimiboo Fri 22-Jul-16 21:37:51

Toxicladybird -exactly the same here.

I've lived in another EU country for 17 years. I have always been proud to say I'm British and have brought my DC up bilingual with as much anglo-saxon culture and influence as possible. I always thought I'd return once the DC finished school.
Now I feel utterly rejected and also a little foolish to realize that "my" country isn't the open-minded, inclusive, multi-cultural society that I believed it to be.

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