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2016 has been a shit year and I fear it's only going to get worse

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VanillaSugar · 15/07/2016 22:18

I feel that things are out of control with all these abominable acts of violence, all the celebrity deaths, the divisive nature of the referendum. It seems to be one shocking news item after another. David Bowie seems such a long time ago and it's only July.

Can we have a good news thread please?

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VanillaSugar · 15/07/2016 22:20

I packed a thick poncho into my holiday bag. That was lucky as the weather is bloody freezing and rainy today.

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RJnomore1 · 15/07/2016 22:21

The ozone layer seems to be regenerating?

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ABloodyDifficultWoman · 15/07/2016 22:26

You can have as many 'good news' threads as you like but they won't change the reality. The best way of dealing with it is either lock yourself away until next spring and hope things improve or actually deal with it by reading, learning, understanding and realising how lucky you really are to be an interested bystander rather than someone knee deep in the actual real time happening shit!

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VanillaSugar · 15/07/2016 22:29

Well, I'm trying to be lighthearted about this as the future looks so frightening.

Got, I hope Phil and Liz are taking their vitamins 😢

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VanillaSugar · 16/07/2016 08:21

Wow. Nobody has got anything good to say. I told you 2016 was shit.

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originalmavis · 16/07/2016 08:26

I suspect people were saying the same in 1917, 1918, 1939-45...

It has ever been thus... modern media just makes it feel as if it's right inside your house.

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EmpressTomatoKetchup · 16/07/2016 08:32

Stop reading the news and go and do something.

www.theguardian.com/media/2013/apr/12/news-is-bad-rolf-dobelli

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Chipsahoy · 16/07/2016 08:32

We all have problems. The world is a mess, it's always been a mess, but now it's on the doorstep, it's harder to pretend it isn't happening.

Real shit happens to individuals all the time. Life is tough and scary. But there is also joy and hope. There is beauty and peace.

There is a duality to everything.

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Squeegle · 16/07/2016 08:32

Yes just think about how 1944 would have been. There have always been chilling acts of mans inhumanity to man. It's the human condition. Our job is to keep on going.

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SestraClone · 16/07/2016 08:37

We have recently lived in one of the most peaceful times in modern history, so this feels bad to us. Your ancestors lived through far worse.

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missybct · 16/07/2016 08:46

Yup to all previous posters. The instant accessibility of media is part of why our world feels so fragmented. Not to say it isn't, because it is, but we are actually incredibly lucky to live in the era we do - media notwithstanding. You could say ignorance is bliss and those in decades/centuries gone by had the luxury of not hearing about the torture, war and death of other countries, but to enjoy that 'luxury' we must remember that in contrast, we have many many commodities that they didn't - namely longevity of life, trade and transport.

It's swings and roundabouts tbh. Hypothetically, if you choose to live in a world where you don't know, chances are you'd lose and miss the luxuries you've become so used to. But the price of keeping those luxuries is to be aware of the plight of the world.

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Liwwybettykins · 16/07/2016 08:49

My dog had a twisted stomach two nights ago, and we got him to the vets pretty quick and he had an operation, and now he's coming home today! He's doing really well and our insuranxe totally covered the bill... Thats good news if ever I had any! So excited to bring him home!!!!

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Liwwybettykins · 16/07/2016 08:50

Sometimes its nice to focus on the good things Smile

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topcat2014 · 16/07/2016 08:54

My childhood news (along with most of us) consisted of Northern Ireland and Beirut night after night.

The difference was that there was news once a day for half an hour, and we didn't have newspapers at home.

Thus, we (ie the kids) concentrated on the other stuff in our lives.

At the end of the day, whilst we have some kind of civic duty to try and keep a bit informed, nothing is to be gained by letting it take over our own lives. By trying to keep positive you are sticking two fingers up to all the lunatics.

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Chipsahoy · 16/07/2016 09:04

Indeed, topcat. I don't watch much news, barely use Facebook. We know too much. I'm not suggesting ignorance, but we need to be present in our own lives. We need to be selfless at timew for sure, we need to care about others but you matter too.

Peace begins at home.

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Lorelei76 · 16/07/2016 09:08

OP you think Phil and Liz make any difference to this?!

Limit TV and social media. Agree with a pp who said we have lived through very peaceful modern times.

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BungoWomble · 16/07/2016 09:12

It's not just the media though is it. Britain is regressing into the Victorian era thanks to this narrow focus on following the big finance, which amusingly ignores all the small local means of generating finance and destroys them, and the blindness of the extremely rich thinking they deserve it all and refusing to share. The country is being divided economically and socially turned on itself. That is the major issue which we all feel and look for key events to blame it on. The media failing is in encouraging that and not giving us the information we need to see the real picture internally.

Good news... well, as RJnomore says the ozone layer is regenerating. And the rest of northern Europe is not in the crap state the media like to paint, they'll carry on very well without us.

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spacefrog35 · 16/07/2016 09:18

So pleased your foggy is feeling better betty

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spacefrog35 · 16/07/2016 09:19

Dammit doggy not foggy Confused Grin

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Foxyloxy1plus1 · 16/07/2016 09:20

The atrocities have been going on for some time. Remember 9/11 and 7/7.

These acts are appalling and frightening, but the difference is that we now see them almost as soon as they occur. That wouldn't have happened in the past. Of course we know too much. We've let the genie out of the bottle and it won't go back.

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IamCarcass · 16/07/2016 09:21

I love LOTR and for most of the time it is impossible to see how things can end peacefully, but they do and it is all summed up in this quote from Samwise..

Sam: "It's like in the great stories Mr. Frodo, the ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were, and sometimes you didn't want to know the end because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end it's only a passing thing this shadow, even darkness must pass. A new day will come, and when the sun shines it'll shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you, that meant something even if you were too small to understand why. But I think Mr. Frodo, I do understand, I know now folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn't. They kept going because they were holding on to something.

Frodo: What are we holding onto, Sam?

Sam: That there's some good in the world, Mr. Frodo, and it's worth fighting for."

Having dealt with depression I've found this quote / attitude really beneficial in understanding difficult situations.

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Chipsahoy · 16/07/2016 09:36

Wow, thanks for sharing. I had forgotten that quote. Helpful.

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VanillaSugar · 16/07/2016 14:35

Yeah, so let's hold into some light rather than shutting the door on it and saying oooh dark times doom and gloom suck it up don't even try and be happy or think happy things cos if you do you are a blinkered loon.

Any more happy stories? The misty weather has curled my hair rather nicely today, thank you. It normally goes all frizzy like a fox's bush.

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CaveMum · 16/07/2016 14:43

I saw a good post on Facebook that I thought helped put some perspective on things. It's long, but stick with it:


"I didn’t write this after Paris. I didn’t write this after Istanbul Airport. I didn’t write this after Baghdad the first time, second or third time this year (It’s a grim privilege, but a privilege nevertheless, to be able to refer to a terrorist attack in your home town and not have people ask “which one?”). But I’m writing it now, after Nice, because my first two instinctive emotional responses when I heard about the attacks on the radio this morning were horror (because there were kids there you sadistic fucks, and you knew it, you did that on purpose), and then fear.

“God,” I thought. “Another one. It just keeps happening. It seems like it’s all the time at the moment.”

I’m a risk analyst. That’s my job. I use numbers to understand what we ought to be afraid of, and how afraid we should be. So here are some numbers:

In France, in the last two years, there have been 8 attacks for which responsibility was claimed by Islamic Extremist Terrorists, killing a total of 247 people. There are 66,000,000 people in France. At the current level of activity, their odds of being killed in a terrorist attack in a given year are less than two ten-thousandths of one per cent. That’s 27 times lower than their odds of dying in a car accident.

Even if the current level of attacks continues for 80 years (which would be unprecedented), a child born today in France would have only one percent of a one percent chance of being killed in one.

In Turkey, the probability is lower. 194 people killed in attacks since the start of 2015, with a population of 80,000,000 gives each one of them a roughly one ten-thousandth of one percent chance of being killed in one, in any given year.

In Iraq, the numbers are much worse. Iraq, of course, is in enmeshed in the horror of a full-on civil war in which tens of thousands have lost their lives, so this kind of analysis is both trickier and seems a little moot. But still, we have to recognize that there have been at least 13 terror attacks in Iraq on civilian populations since the start of 2015, killing more than 650 people. Even away from the front-line of the civil war, ISIS’s victims are overwhelmingly Muslim. Even in Iraq though, your odds of being caught in one of these attacks are less than one in a hundred thousand.

Reducing these deaths to numbers and comparing them to traffic fatalities might seem callous. After all, a car crash doesn’t mean to kill anyone. These people were attacked, the targets of deliberate, violent intent, and that makes a difference. Moreover, none of this will be any comfort whatsoever to a mother in Nice whose child was murdered last night, nothing I can say would be. Before those grieving, I am left in dumbstruck, useless, sympathetic horror, as we all are.

But I think these numbers are important, for two reasons:

First: the reaction I had is exactly the reaction the perpetrators of these atrocities want. They rely on us feeling bombarded by the news. They want us to feel besieged. They want us to feel at risk. They want us afraid. It’s called terrorism after all. Understanding the limitations of their ability to hurt us helps, in some small way, to frustrate their aim.

Second: There is no reason, none whatsoever, to believe that ISIS and other terrorist groups are holding back. They are killing this many of us precisely because this is as many of us as they can kill. And the reason for that is straightforward: there aren’t very many of them. Despite all we hear about radicalisation and recruitment and schoolchildren travelling to Syria to train and fight with them, here, in our cities and our communities, their numbers pale in comparison to our own. They want us to believe they are widespread amongst the Muslim members of our communities, but they simply aren’t. If they were, they’d be killing a lot more of us.

These numbers stack the odds heavily in our favour, and the only way in which we can abandon that advantage is to make more terrorists. ISIS understand that, and that is very much what they are trying to make us do.

There is a phrase that we’re likely to hear over the next days and weeks, and it’s a phase that should scare the shit out of anyone who hears it: ‘Something must be done.’ It was uttered before the UK Parliament voted to join a bombing campaign in Syria. An act which achieved essentially nothing of any military value, as any worthwhile targets were already being hit by the Americans, but handily signed our name to the inevitable civilian casualties that ISIS use to recruit allies over here.

I’m not trying to tell anyone how to feel, especially not someone living in Baghdad through the middle of a civil war with the front line only a couple of hundred miles away. I have no idea what that’s like. I don’t have any right to legislate those feelings. All I can do, all my work trains me to do, is to provide some perspective on the facts that might change them.

We’re shocked, and afraid and angry, of course we are. That’s a human reaction to attacks like these, and shocked, afraid, angry people want to strike back, to punish those who hurt us and banish the helplessness we feel at being so randomly targeted. But if we do that — and this is tough to accept but that doesn’t make it any less true — as a matter of mathematics, we make things worse.

Sometimes all you can do that will actually help is tend the wounded, bury the dead, comfort the grieving, smile at your neighbour and do your best to live as you always have done. If you live in a country that’s been targeted like this, the terrorists are fighting a battle for your mind, don’t give it to them. Hopefully, in resisting them, the numbers help."


www.facebook.com/tom.pollock.583/posts/10101699628707851

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