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To worry that benefits (WTC, Housing, CB, CT) will be stopped for EU UK residents

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feellikeahugefailure Tue 12-Jul-16 10:38:39

It's obvious that EU residents will be allowed to stay, but could they try to limit benefits for these people?

Without these it would be near impossible for many people to afford to have a family, myself included.

MephistophelesApprentice Tue 12-Jul-16 10:42:19

I suspect that it's a threat Theresa May will use in negotiations.

Bambamrubblesmum Tue 12-Jul-16 10:42:40

Pure speculation but I would suspect so, once A50 is evoked. There would be no legal requirement to give benefits if we are outside of the EU. This would also reflect the government's intention to crack down on non-EU benefit entitlements.

InternationalHouseofToast Tue 12-Jul-16 10:50:49

"It's obvious that EU residents will be allowed to stay" - the view on that seems to be "only if UK citizens can stay in the Costa Brava / Loire Valley" so I'm not sure yet that it's obvious.

Certainly if they impose a points based immigration system going forward, new immigrants from the EU wouldn't be entitled to these benefits because of the salaries they'd have to attract to work here in the first place.

AndNowItsSeven Tue 12-Jul-16 10:54:37

I would imagine it's only new immigrants that would be affected. But that would be no different than a British person emigrating to say Australia they would be able to claim benefits there either.

AndNowItsSeven Tue 12-Jul-16 10:54:53

* wouldn't

Samcro Tue 12-Jul-16 10:56:29

wouldn't it be a good thing?
seeing as the government is cutting so much money from the benefits bill.
surely better than targeting the disabled again

Samcro Tue 12-Jul-16 10:57:15

think i should add....for new people. not ones here now

mrgrouper Tue 12-Jul-16 11:07:41

I lived in France for a year and was entitled to zero despite being disabled
We should not be paying for immigrants

SaucyJack Tue 12-Jul-16 11:27:12

Well TBH OP, I don't think too many people are going to be up in arms if immigrants can now no longer choose to move to the UK a raise a family at the expense of UK taxpayers. Many countries have systems in places where immigrants have to be in a financial position to add to the economy- and not take away- before moving there. It's not that unfair or unreasonable.

But having said that.... there plenty of Britons claiming benefits in plenty of other EU countries, so it probably works out pretty fairly in the grand scheme anyway.

AgentProvocateur Tue 12-Jul-16 11:29:18

I don't think it's a given either that EU residents will be allowed to stay, sadly.

PrimalLass Tue 12-Jul-16 11:31:05

We should not be paying for immigrants

This. Sorry OP, I voted remain, but as we are leaving anyway then I do think that the days of paying benefits to people from other countries should be well and truly over.

callherwillow Tue 12-Jul-16 11:32:30

there are plenty of Britons claiming benefits in plenty of other EU countries

Very non contentiously, are there?

Mouikey Tue 12-Jul-16 11:32:34

I can't imagine anything like this could be retrospectively applied, but hey, with everything that has happened over the last month, anything is possible.

I wouldn't worry about it yet though, it will take an eon to go through parliament.

PrimalLass Tue 12-Jul-16 11:32:47

Oops, pressed post too soon.

Although if have been living/working here a certain number of years and paying tax etc then that would be different. Evidence of planning to live here long term and contribute.

TinyTear Tue 12-Jul-16 11:37:41

I am EU and have been living and working here non-stop for 15 years. I have paid tax and never received any benefits (just one year Child Benefit in 2012 until they changed the rules)

And I agree with stopping them unless there is some proof people have paid into the system.

When I moved to the UK I could have claimed unemployment / job seekers for 4 months until I got my job but I DIDN'T as I hadn't contributed to the UK (I brought savings instead) ... Something that pissed me off about a German woman in my job who the first thing she had done when moving to the UK was claim benefits for the 2 months she took to get her job...

As for me I will get British citizenship at some time and will get my EU nationality for my children and husband so we have 2 passports each

SaucyJack Tue 12-Jul-16 11:38:58

Yep callherwillow

This article may only refer specifically to unemployment benefits, but if it's part of a wider pattern re: benefits claims then I really don't think the UK is getting such a bad deal actually.

If we cancel reciprocal benefit arrangements with the EU and all our "own" British unemployed have to come home- it may end up costing the UK more in benefits.

pointythings Tue 12-Jul-16 12:06:20

I think this would be a good time to looking into making benefits contributory for everyone regardless of nationality. It works in other countries.

RortyCrankle Tue 12-Jul-16 14:12:18

It seems sensible to me.

BagPusscatnip Tue 12-Jul-16 14:21:23

I think this would be a good time to looking into making benefits contributory for everyone regardless of nationality. It works in other countries

Massively agree with this

GrandadGrumps Tue 12-Jul-16 14:44:40

I think this would be a good time to looking into making benefits contributory for everyone regardless of nationality. It works in other countries.

What would happen to the people who fall through the cracks?

mrgrouper Tue 12-Jul-16 14:48:20

callherwillow
My dad, a pensioner, lives in France and gets no French benefits whatsoever.

KP86 Tue 12-Jul-16 14:53:31

Non-EU immigrant here and entitled to nothing beyond stat maternity pay should we have another DC. No WTC, CB, Housing etc. Doesn't matter how high/low our income is or how much tax etc we pay.

We do get NHS but only because of a reciprocal agreement.

StrawberryQuik Tue 12-Jul-16 15:16:25

I was coming on to say I'll miss my CB if it goes but DH (British) will just be able to get it instead...but then CB also counts towards NI contributions....sigh....I don't know why I keep coming on brexit threads they just stress me out confused

Either way I see giant beaurocratic forms in my near future grin sad

pointythings Tue 12-Jul-16 15:17:54

Grandad the same thing that happens to people who currently fall through the cracks, I should think. And while we are at reform anyway, let's look into better support for people who cannot work, people with fluctuating conditions and carers. Employers want a flexible workforce but are not prepared to be flexible themselves. That has to change.

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