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BettyFea Thu 09-Jun-16 20:20:54

Should be put away for a long long time?!
It smacks of Venables and Thomson imo. If these two girls planned to kidnap and sexually assault a toddler at the ages they are now, God only knows what kind of monsters they would grow into!

PPie10 Thu 09-Jun-16 20:23:16

Yanbu, vile, disgusting things need to be locked away for a very long time.

NavyAndWhite Thu 09-Jun-16 20:24:20

It's very very worrying what they were planning to do.

Were they working alone or could they have been put up to do this?

Have only seen this briefly the other day so I'm a bit sketchy with details.

Musicinthe00ssucks Thu 09-Jun-16 20:25:35

I am absolutely repulsed by these two creatures. They need to be locked up in a psychriatic institution for a very long time

Savemefromwine Thu 09-Jun-16 20:26:00

Very disturbing case

PenelopePitstops Thu 09-Jun-16 20:27:33

I'm concerned about who or what let them turn into such damaged young people.

They are probably the victims of some sort of abuse to think their actions are in any way normal.

They need kindness, compassion and a lot of psychiatric help.

Pinkheart5915 Thu 09-Jun-16 20:29:02

It was a very disturbing case.
OP as you say if they have vile thoughts now imagine what they will be capable of as adults

Birdsgottafly Thu 09-Jun-16 20:30:22

They are very damaged young people.

They are the sort of 'Monsters' that abusive childhoods create.

Hopefully the right physiological services will be available, for however long they need treatment/help, for.

They won't ever get to lead the life that they should be, but they can get to a non offending level of living.

WellErrr Thu 09-Jun-16 20:31:38

Has there been an update on the story? Have they said why they took the child?

dillydotty Thu 09-Jun-16 20:31:57


No excuse at all but sadly the majority of abusers were abused themselves. That is not saying all people who were abused abuse others.

This cycle must be stopped. The question is, how?

LuluJakey1 Thu 09-Jun-16 20:32:17

I would bet they get very short sentences in a secure unit.

BettyFea Thu 09-Jun-16 20:34:38

I honestly don't think after something like that anybody would ever be happy to have young children around them. You could promise me they are totally rehabilitated- I wouldn't let them babysit my son! They should be on a register for life, but I imagine, as usual, the criminals will be protected more than the victims.

NavyAndWhite Thu 09-Jun-16 20:34:44

Were they already in care?

FuzzyOwl Thu 09-Jun-16 20:34:49

It's very disturbing and I hope they get the right treatment that they need but at the same time, are never a risk to any other children.

zippey Thu 09-Jun-16 20:35:12

Yes they should definitely NOT receive long sentences, but should get a short sentence with lots of rehabilitation and care to try and build up their sense of right and wrong.

SolomanDaisy Thu 09-Jun-16 20:38:32

I suspect a long sentence wouldn't be the best way to reduce the risk of them reoffending. They're very young and have obviously had horrible childhoods. A shorter sentence, intensive psychiatric support and a supportive family environment to live in is more likely to move them towards not offending against .

Birdsgottafly Thu 09-Jun-16 20:39:40

""Were they already in care?""

Various Foster placements, known to be victims of abuse.

It's shocking the way that psychological services aren't made readily available to abused children.

They either have to offend, or wait until something happens, when they reach adulthood.

WellErrr Thu 09-Jun-16 20:41:03

Why have they obviously had 'horrible childhoods'?

Even so, plenty of people have awful childhoods.
They just don't kidnap 2 year olds with that intention.

I don't believe that people like this can ever be useful members of society.

VestalVirgin Thu 09-Jun-16 20:41:29

Didn't read about the case ... if they're children, the only thing that can be done is putting them in psychiatric care, and that's what has to be done, anyway - if we assume they didn't come up with that idea themselves, then they clearly have been abused and need years and years of therapy.

blueturtle6 Thu 09-Jun-16 20:44:38

Officers recognised the two girls and knew where they'd be. Obviously the girls where already well known to police....

HonkHonkNose Thu 09-Jun-16 20:45:00

God that's terrifying. Throw away the key and let them deal with their karma in prison.

It's so hard to get your head around this anyway but my dd is 2yo. Bloody frightens the life out of me, the thought of anything happening to her.

Pinkheart5915 Thu 09-Jun-16 20:45:06

I don't believe you can rehabilitate them.

I know they are probably the way they are because of abuse of such like themselves but that is NO excuse for what they done.

LadyStarkOfWinterfell Thu 09-Jun-16 20:45:58

Children that young don't do things like that out of nowhere. I would bet money that they were abused and groomed by much olde paedophiles. It's not an excuse but it's an explanation. Children who have been abused and neglected are highly vulnerable to predatory abusers.

LadyStarkOfWinterfell Thu 09-Jun-16 20:47:06

Of course therI is a chance they can be rehabilitated. I know of a young woman who did a very bad thing at that age and she has been successfully rehabilitated through therapy and custodial sentence.

Believeitornot Thu 09-Jun-16 20:47:50

Even so, plenty of people have awful childhoods. They just don't kidnap 2 year olds with that intention

But you're more likely to do so if you have a terrible childhood with a warped sense of boundaries and morality.

All the more reason to have better early years interventions, better mental health services for children etc.

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