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Millyonthefloss Mon 06-Jun-16 07:57:05

Two British girls were interviewed on the Victoria Derbyshire show about being assaulted in Paris on NYE.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03fgm65

Is it right of Nigel Farage to bring this issue into the Brexit debate?

Lots of people are uncomfortable with it and think it is somehow racist. Is it?

Just5minswithDacre Mon 06-Jun-16 08:02:54

They have a right to be heard and believed.

Farage's motives are shoddy, however. A terrible thing for him to co-opt.

There is a sensible argument for Brexit that is a world away from his racist outlook.

Millyonthefloss Mon 06-Jun-16 08:12:08

Thanks for replying Just5.

I have to go to work now so I won't comment further, but I feel very strongly that the issue of young women's safety is one of the arguments for Brexit.

But it's so hard to discuss it without being called a racist.

Just5minswithDacre Mon 06-Jun-16 08:26:47

I think security is certainly part of the argument for Brexit.

It would be much easier to have the discussion without racist people muddying the water. There is another thread running at the moment where the OP feels that her instinct to vote 'out' is somehow shameful.

So, I agree with you to a large extent Millie.

mamamea Mon 06-Jun-16 09:32:39

I think if you have lived in a country with a rape/woman shaming culture, then you would see the absurdity of cultural relativism when it comes to this issue.

Yes, in some countries, women and girls are taught that men will rape them, and men are taught that women who behave/dress in certain ways are 'asking for it'.

No, it's not unreasonable in the slightest to consider this issue in the context of Brexit/immigration controls.

Not all cultures are equal, and that is something that all people need to understand, and not shy away from.

honeyroar Mon 06-Jun-16 09:37:47

I was assaulted in Paris on New Year's Eve 25yrs ago. It wasn't anything to do with Europe, the men weren't European. Its not a new thing.

leelu66 Mon 06-Jun-16 10:06:15

Yes, in some countries, women and girls are taught that men will rape them

What a load of shit.

toadworthy Mon 06-Jun-16 10:12:17

I think the EU's open borders policy has had a very detrimental effect on the safety of young women in a lot of European cities.
It's a big issue.

Birdsgottafly Mon 06-Jun-16 10:22:49

""Yes, in some countries, women and girls are taught that men will rape them""
""What a load of shit.""

How so Leelu66?

If a Woman is out, without chaperone, dressed in a certain way, or drinking etc, there are cultures that will tell them that they will be assaulted, because of this.

Likewise, in some areas of the World, they will be. That's what the supply of underwear to poorer regions in Aftica was about.

Women who aren't wearing underwear, aren't seen as being looked after ie owned, by a man, so is open to be used.

It's not that different to the attitudes to Women out alone at night, in the UK, until the 80's.

scatterolight Mon 06-Jun-16 10:22:51

The sexual assaults on NYE in Cologne, and the massive rise of rape in Sweden, is more than enough evidence that an open borders policy with cultures who view women very differently is a big issue.

Personally I think that any woman who votes to Remaim, and continued uncontrolled immigration forever, is a turkey voting for Christmas. But many women will put their own safety, and that of their children, second to the virtuous feelings they get from "not being racist".

Birdsgottafly Mon 06-Jun-16 10:24:24

Just to add, it's taken the EU to get involved, before Africa/India would act against the raping of women.

toadworthy Mon 06-Jun-16 10:33:42

I cried watching the girls in your video clipp OP.

Why didn't the Paris police protect them?

I never thought I'd agree with UKIP, but I do really worry that these gangs of young men will be over here in a few years time if we don't leave the EU.

Just5minswithDacre Mon 06-Jun-16 12:46:58

The way to prevent UKIP from dominating the narrative about this type of incident is for the rest of us to talk about them openly.

I'm still revolted by the silence of the BBC and the broadsheets in the opening days of 2016.

HairyMuffandProud Mon 06-Jun-16 13:00:35

the way to prevent UKIP from dominating the narrative about this type of incident is for the rest of us to talk about them openly

I agree.

But at least there is a narrative at all, rather than suppression. Narrative is the most imp thing here.

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