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twofalls Tue 24-May-16 18:45:43

Dd has a badly sprained wrist. Tomorrow all of year 5/6 are visiting another school for a sports event. I presumed dd would go along to watch and support (no sports for her for the rest of the week). She has just got home (was at a friends) and is upset that she has to go and spend the afternoon with year 3/4. Something to do with the risk assessment person saying it was too risky for her to go.

AIBU to wonder what is so risky about watching her classmates run around a field?

RedHelenB Tue 24-May-16 18:46:56

Maybe all the staff were involved in the sports?

Littleallovertheshop Tue 24-May-16 18:48:02

Pupil:staff ratio - they won't have enough staff to stay with her off the pitch?

OneMagnumisneverenough Tue 24-May-16 18:49:04

I think the only risk would be her being left alone while rest of the class are running round. i.e. who would be looking after her? If they are doing activities in groups and there are always other children sitting out then YANBU if that's not the case and she would need an adult to supervise her on her own then YABU.

twofalls Tue 24-May-16 18:49:28

She is 10. She is not going to wander off. Surely she sits with the children who aren't participating at any one time. What could happen to her.

twofalls Tue 24-May-16 18:51:08

There are group activities so always a group not doing something.

6 members of staff are going.

TheSolitaryBoojum Tue 24-May-16 18:51:18

How are they getting to the venue? Will there be a lot of walking about once she's there?
Schools are having to play it safe all the time now, and most are erring on the side of being over-cautious, because the consequences are more hassle than they are worth if anything goes wrong.
I don't think YABU to want her to support her friends, but the school could come up with a number of reasons why she'd be safer in school.

OneMagnumisneverenough Tue 24-May-16 18:51:22

If other children aren't participating it's fine. I don't think there is a danger to her wandering off, but, she is meant to be in the school care and they have to factor in the risk that sat on her own, someone could take her away.

twofalls Tue 24-May-16 18:53:20

They are getting a bus there. It's in a local primary school grounds so no chance of anyone taking her.

Just seems a shame.

curren Tue 24-May-16 18:53:24

She is not going to wander off.

The fact that you think she wouldn't want to wander off is irrelevant. If they don't have staff to watch her, they don't have staff to watch her.

Youarenotkiddingme Tue 24-May-16 18:54:13

Id ask for a copy of the risk assessment. Ask exactly why an injured wrist prevents her from watching over their responsibility towards inclusion.
Surely she could maybe assist in some way - stopwatch or something - to be included?

TheSolitaryBoojum Tue 24-May-16 18:54:19

It's more likely to be the concern about her tripping and falling, or being jostled than worrying she's going to be kidnapped IME.

twofalls Tue 24-May-16 18:56:32

But what about the children who won't be participating at any one time? They have been put into groups, there will be time when children aren't participating.

She could sit with them, or help out like someone else suggested.

curren Tue 24-May-16 18:58:02

Because they could quite easily lose track of which group she is in or who is responsible for her at a certain time.

TheSolitaryBoojum Tue 24-May-16 18:58:24

They don't have a pre-existing injury that could impair their balance.

SusanAndBinkyRideForth Tue 24-May-16 18:59:43

I would suspect it's because they can't guarantee she won't get bumped on the bus or in the groups watching on the sidelines.

TheSolitaryBoojum Tue 24-May-16 19:00:35

Ten years ago, it wouldn't have been a consideration worth worrying about.
Now things are much stricter.

twofalls Tue 24-May-16 19:05:27

Ok. It looks like I am being unreasonable.

Just seems totally nuts.

DancingPenguin1 Tue 24-May-16 19:05:41

I coordinate visits and risk assessments in a school, if they have completed a risk assessment that says it's too risky for her to go they should be able to actually show you the written risk assessment detailing why so I would challenge them. Schools are legally obliged to take every possible step to overcome a risk to prevent a student being excluded from an activity. I can't see the issue with your daughter attending, staff should be perfectly capable of supervising her under these circumstances. If not they should be putting in additional staffing or perhaps inviting you along. I would never exclude a child in this way.

BoneyBackJefferson Tue 24-May-16 19:13:46

Schools are legally obliged to take every possible step to overcome a risk to prevent a student being excluded from an activity.

But she is unable to do the activity due to her injury.

twofalls Tue 24-May-16 19:41:58

I suppose it depends whether you think the activity is the sports or whether it's visiting another school for games,meeting new people and team building and an afternoon doing fun stuff. Which is what the letter said it was about.

I feel she is being excluded from a fun afternoon out.

RJnomore1 Tue 24-May-16 19:46:09

Christ op no yanbu I do lots of work with young people and risk assessing and there is no reason for your daughter to be excluded.

"The staff might be confused about which group she is with" is NOT a valid reason.

If it was her leg I'd be more cautious but ask for a copy of this risk assessment. I'd love to see what additional risk they have identified her as being which cannot be managed.

GoblinLittleOwl Tue 24-May-16 19:47:30

She has a badly sprained wrist and can't participate in games and 'doing fun stuff.' The risk has been assessed by the person in charge.

twofalls Tue 24-May-16 20:05:50

Thanks dancing and RJ. Will ask to see a copy of the risk assessment tomorrow.

HeartsTrumpDiamonds Tue 24-May-16 20:09:38

I'm in charge of risk assessments at our school, had tons of H&S and risk assessment training, yada yada, and I have never heard something so ridiculous. Poor girl. Good luck tomorrow OP.

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