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AIBU?

All PIV = rape??

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Flashbangandgone · 21/05/2016 21:28

Stumbled across this article...

witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/piv-is-always-rape-ok/

Seems not only to be strongly arguing that all PIV is necessarily rape, but is incredulous that a feminist could think differently! AIBU to think this is bonkers or has the virtually the whole population of women (who don't think this way) just been brainwashed?!

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WhoWants2Know · 21/05/2016 21:30

Bonkers. I know I can only speak for myself, but I've certainly consented with a certain level of enthusiasm.

maggiethemagpie · 21/05/2016 21:31

My first WTAF?

chitofftheshovel · 21/05/2016 21:34

Jesus wept. That is the anti-thesis of feminism, surely?

maggiethemagpie · 21/05/2016 21:34

Even if PIV is 'for men' rather than 'for women' (which I disagree with, but even if it were so), am I not allowed to do something for my husband, have sex with him to give him pleasure, quite aside from my own pleasure?

Whoever wrote this drivel must have had some fucked up relationships is all I can say.

WorraLiberty · 21/05/2016 21:34

That person sounds like a bitter, twisted, sour faced twat to be fair.

bumbleymummy · 21/05/2016 21:36

I've heard this before. I agree that it's bonkers.

RJnomore1 · 21/05/2016 21:36

It's a long held theory dworkin was writing about it decades ago. I don't agree but it's theoretically interesting because of the stance it comes from.

TheDowagerCuntess · 21/05/2016 21:37

It's one person's opinion, and I think these things are often written as a bit of a thought exercise to be provocative and get people thinking outside their comfort zone.

You know full well what you've enthusiastically consented to, and what you haven't, so

AHellOfABird · 21/05/2016 21:39

Two prior threads on this 2013 blogpost, in case of interest.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2521532-Intercourse-PIV-is-always-rape-plain-and-simple

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2094794-All-PIV-is-rape-why-I-dont-think-this-is-helpful-in-giving-women-control-over-their-sexual-destiny

annandale · 21/05/2016 21:39

It's nonsense which looks like it's either clickbait or has been set up a a straw target for antifeminists to knock down.

SummerRosie321 · 21/05/2016 21:39

Judging by her other posts men have a massive conspiracy to control women. I'm worried about her. Something bad must of happened for her to distrust half the population so much.

VestalVirgin · 21/05/2016 21:39

Ohhh, the everlasting thread!

There's a thread on exactly that article in the feminism boards if I am not much mistaken. Certainly about the PIV= rape topic.

You should read the whole blog for context. This kind of statement is often taken out of context, and used to create drama.

Take for example this sentence: " intercourse is inherently harmful to women and intentionally so, because it causes pregnancy in women"

That's true. Intercourse is not in women's best interest if they don't want to be pregnant, and I don't know about you, but most of my life I don't want to be pregnant. Like, nine months out of my whole life would be enough forever.

The blogger is very emotional about this, but at the core, it's true. You may still choose to engage in intercourse, but the fact remains that it has its risks.

If you take the title of that post out of context, you won't understand it.

It's like the "all sex is rape in patriarchy" statement - the idea is that there is no real consent in a rape culture as you have all those factors pushing you towards saying "yes" to intercourse, so that in the end, it is in many cases not possible to determine whether you would have said "yes" in an environment devoid of all these factors.
(Obviously there is lust on first sight, but other than that ... I know so many girls who got into their first relationship with a man because they thought they needed a boyfriend ... any boyfriend.)

Flashbangandgone · 21/05/2016 21:39

she's certainly consistent in her approach... This article makes the 'PIV = rape' article seem mild!

witchwind.wordpress.com/2014/05/06/it-seems-the-end-is-to-come/

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VestalVirgin · 21/05/2016 21:41

Something bad must of happened for her to distrust half the population so much

Well, yeah, that's kind of the reason why feminism exists. Men do bad things to women, and some women noticed that there's a pattern.

Flashbangandgone · 21/05/2016 21:42

With my favourite quote:

"Men, homo rapiens, you scum, you filth. There is no word to describe the extent of your evil, you are pure evil, pure lechery. I hate you, how I hate you. In the 250,000 years of your rotten, defunct existence, you have managed to kill 5 million years of life on earth." And goes on to implore all men to commit suicide!... And for the less evil ones to euthenise the others!

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bumbleymummy · 21/05/2016 21:43

piknmixer · 21/05/2016 21:44

That's the biggest crock of shit I've read in my entire life. Good grief.

"There is no way to eliminate the pregnancy risk entirely off PIV and the mitigating and harm-reduction practices such as contraception and abortion are inherently harmful, too."

How does this apply to DP who had a vasectomy 10 years ago?

TheDuchessOfArbroathsHat · 21/05/2016 21:44

Christ on a Crispy Crumpet! This again? It's like DM clickbait but for a different kind of person. Why is it getting more airtime?

AnyFucker · 21/05/2016 21:46

it's a school of thought

YABU if this post is being used to discredit feminists as a group

is that why you posted it ?

piknmixer · 21/05/2016 21:46

"The fact intercourse causes so many infections and tears and warts attests to the unnaturalness of intercourse, that it’s not meant to be. The vagina’s primary function isn’t to be penetrated by a penis but to eject a baby for birth. They are two muscle tissues / sphincters pressed against each other to help the baby be pushed out. Penetration of the penis into the vagina is completely unnecessary for conception."

I think someone missed biology class. Jeeez.

AHellOfABird · 21/05/2016 21:50

I think it's on a list somewhere, AF, along with the screen shots of the long deleted Russian penis mutilation thread and something about Melissa Farley..

Flashbangandgone · 21/05/2016 21:50

YABU if this post is being used to discredit feminists as a group. is that why you posted it ?

Where have I said, or even hinted, that 'feminism believes all PIV is rape, therefore feminism is crazy!' That's an extraordinary extrapolation on your part!

Of course I don't believe that this represents even the most hard-core of feminists... This seems to be in a different class!

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NeedACleverNN · 21/05/2016 21:51

You gotta worry about women's mental health when they start saying things like this

it's like offering a breast feeding woman a chair poolside. There's always an agenda

RJnomore1 · 21/05/2016 21:52

Russian penis mutilation?

zoobeedoo · 21/05/2016 21:52

What a load of shit. What about those of us who actively enjoy, pursue, initiate and orgasm from piv? I'm being raped while I'm seducing my man, am I? This all stems from the belief that women do not enjoy sex, that they are not active participants, and that only men enjoy sex. Sorry, some of us love it.

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