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To think this video explains, why a 'significant' number of parents want a grammar school or at least the same socio economic or culture mix when choosing a school

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jonesthegirl Thu 10-Mar-16 12:52:39

This video highlights the huge discrepancies between state schools, particulary 'grammar' schools and non selective 'comprehensives' .

The video demonstrates a school that is a totally calm and pleasant environment . A place where even a 'raised'voice by a pupil to teacher would be rebuffed as equally by fellow pupils as the member of staff.

This shows that it is not just academic standards that are 1000% better but behaviour, mutal respect and endorses the old saying.

'you become like the people you socialise with'

WorraLiberty Thu 10-Mar-16 12:56:57


I'm guessing whatever school you went to, they weren't hot on mathematics? wink

My DC's non selective comprehensive is outstanding and rowdy behaviour in the classroom, has always been stamped out immediately.

TeenAndTween Thu 10-Mar-16 12:59:19

It's a PR video. What do you expect?

As far as I am concerned, we are lucky to live in an all-comp area.

WorraLiberty Thu 10-Mar-16 13:00:47

Oh I've just realised, this is the OP who is obsessed with this sort of subject.

<< Abandons thread >>

Owllady Thu 10-Mar-16 13:01:08

Or could the segregation be part of the problem?

Lanark2 Thu 10-Mar-16 13:01:51

I think it's very important for a constructive English society to ensure that dissent and emotions are eliminated. How can our leaders get anything done unless the population is compliant?

ouryve Thu 10-Mar-16 13:02:53

Haha! Even the most disorganised sink school could put on such a performance for some cameras. Acting is a wonderful thing. I believe you can take a GCSE in it.

PennyDropt Thu 10-Mar-16 13:05:57

So articulate -

So healthy looking - no need for coloured hair and tats.

So confident.
Worth paying for imo.

scatteroflight Thu 10-Mar-16 13:11:31

LOL @ Lanark. Rowdy, poorly behaved, backchatting kids are the new Levellers now?

Let's phrase your question another way. How can children function well in civil society and recognise authoritarian exploitation, when the classroom environment in which they receive knowledge of the world is no more conducive to learning than a playground (or in some cases, warzone)?

ghostyslovesheep Thu 10-Mar-16 13:12:28

The OP is overly invested in all thing educational - sadly unable to see past the PR Guff

any school selecting their pupils will do better than school that don't

lots of kids do very well in comprehensive schools - lots of kids struggle in Grammars

seriously MN does have a 'education' topic OP

jonesthegirl Thu 10-Mar-16 13:14:18

A type of school that should be available for all parents and children who cannot afford £ 15,000 per year but would benefit from such a school. My three DDs have been/are fortunate to have been educated in similar schools.

It might be a public relations video, but a lot less editing is /was required than ' Grimethorpe Community' school's video !

SmallLegsOrSmallEggs Thu 10-Mar-16 13:19:05

worra something can be 1000% better, bigger, more likely etc. (10 times) You just cannot get or give 1000% (of the marks/effort etc.)

Tricky to measure though so not sure what basis the OP is using.

ouryve Thu 10-Mar-16 13:29:16

Are you stating that as fact, Jones? Have you been actively involved with producing and editing promotional videos for both community schools and grammar schools?

Or are you, maybe, just speculating, based on nothing more concrete than, ooh, speculation?

jonesthegirl Thu 10-Mar-16 13:29:50

The 'value' of the education recieved can be 1000% better or 10 times greater than 'percieved' value of the education recieved at the other school.

Also if the the local Comprehensive achieves 20% at GCSE and the grammar achieves 100% the grammar is 500% more successful at GCSE !

Ok that is just raw detail , but nontheless..

officerhinrika Thu 10-Mar-16 13:31:16

Oh dear the myth of the Grammar again. My parents attended Grammar schools and remain passionate opponents of the system as do many of their friends. They cannot accept that so many children were stigmatised at 11 by the results of a pretty arbitrary exam. They also dispute that the quality of their education was up to much compared with that which my siblings and I received in non selective schools. There is not just one story.

PatriciaHolm Thu 10-Mar-16 13:35:52

Um, PennyDropt, you know that's a state school, right? No fees?

moosemama Thu 10-Mar-16 13:36:32

My ds' independent school had/has an almost identical video, all about how they are all one big family, everyone is inclusive and supportive, so many opportunities ... etc.

He's been there almost three years now, has been horribly bullied, regularly tells me of others being bullied both low grade and serious, there was a near riot in a classroom the other day because the teacher left the room and a couple of pupils took a dislike to each other. The pupils are the same as at any other secondary school - teenagers.

My other ds is at the local academy, which also has a similar PR video and is generally considered the best state school in the county. He and ds1 are in complete agreement that both school have exactly the same sort of problems and behaviours.

Any school can look good on a carefully choreographed and directed video, it means nothing.

Fwiw, both school's results are extremely good and on a par with one another, regardless of the fact that one is state and one is fee paying.

ghostyslovesheep Thu 10-Mar-16 14:07:05

oh dear Jones you are not comparing fairly now are you?

If the local Grammar SELECTS the top 5% of students who PASS the 11+ and a comprehensive take all student in it's catchment area regardless of ability or SEN it's grossly unfair to say one is 'better'

My daughter chose NOT to enter selective education and I let her because she wanted to go to our local school - and she's doing just brilliantly

You seem way to obsessed with this subject - you should look into getting a new hobby!

multivac Thu 10-Mar-16 14:14:24

at least the same socio economic or culture mix

Fucking hell.

And also - not going to engage further with such bollocks. Would be laughable if it weren't so grim.

Lanark2 Thu 10-Mar-16 14:14:35

A grammar school head teacher dies and meets St Peter. He says' its about 50:50 with you, go and see what hell has to offer first then see what you think.
She meets the devil's who says yeah have a look around. Inside all is order and discipline, no-one speaks without politeness and everything seems regimented. In many areas there seems to be discontent, but when she is shown in many former world leaders are engaged in passionate but civilised debate, and in the background heavily competitive, but well managed games are taking place, she recognises many champion sports people, and ponders on how many secretly took those performance enhancers after all.

She goes back to heaven, and looks around there too. Its OK. Very nice, and there's some harp.playing, but no-one seems to be actually engaging. Its like they are all on medication,however blissful they look, she just can't settle.

'Well' she says to St Peter. If it's all the same to you, I think I'll choose hell.

The next day she picks up her stuff and enters hell. The devil is no where to be seen and the order has turned to abuse. Glances and looks are punished by fire, tortured souls cry.out and limp around. The competitive sports have turned into all out war, and there is lots and lots of crying and name calling.

'What happened? She asks a passing adult, ' yesterday everything was wonderful'
'Oh yes, yesterday.. Yes they were filming the recruiting video yesterday'

multivac Thu 10-Mar-16 14:18:20

Oh, the humanity! The disorder! The horror!

Lanark2 Thu 10-Mar-16 14:18:36

Mind you I'm being cynical, but actually I agree. I went to a school with some absolute scum, a lot of council estate kids with varying values, and a few middle class and a few intelligent kids. It was a fucking nightmare. Even the teachers though intelligence was freaky and probably only there to humiliate them. I do wish I'd been around slightly more people like me. Though my cousin still didn't like his grammar, they realised he didn't and moved him. In our school they would have put him on meds

MartinaJ Thu 10-Mar-16 14:24:23

I find it very difficult to believe that anyone with a bit of education and intelligence would even consider for their children to be mixed with the uneducated, social welfare-taking, council estate living plebs.
jonesthegirl, you are right. We should stick to our own. I am actually appalled at the idea of my child learning their awful and vulgar manners.

ghostyslovesheep Thu 10-Mar-16 14:24:36

Blimey Multivac it's like Lord of The Flies - all those lower socio economic types and multi culturalism

shocking hmm

I'm joining you and Worra in walking away from this - I'm off to pick up my feral idiot children from their bog standard obviously shit comp!

jonesthegirl Thu 10-Mar-16 14:26:39

They have a great 'head' but note at 3 minutes 10 seconds the pupil states the school was a place full of fights and gangs !

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