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To think smoothies are more than one of your five a day

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feellikeahugefailure Mon 22-Feb-16 19:21:36

I've just had a smoothie with a handful of grapes, two kiwis, handful of spinach, handful of kale and a handful of frozen mango. At least 80g of all the fruit and probably 40g of the leaves. This is 4 portions right?

dementedpixie Mon 22-Feb-16 19:25:08

I think they count as a maximum of 2 but might be wrong.

schmalex Mon 22-Feb-16 19:26:54

I think it doesn't count as four because it's better to eat the fruit/veg whole as blending it into a smoothie destroys the fibre content.

treaclesoda Mon 22-Feb-16 19:28:00

I thought they didn't count at all. I thought that once you pulverised them they didn't count any more. Was I wrong about that?

I've never had a smoothie, the thought of drinking something thick like that doesn't appeal to me.

OddBoots Mon 22-Feb-16 19:29:46

A lot of the benefit of fruit and veg is in the work your body has to do to process it, if a machine has done that work then it has much fewer health benefits.

AdrenalineFudge Mon 22-Feb-16 19:30:01

I recall reading that smoothies don't count, happy to be corrected if anyone more knowledgeable comes along?

dementedpixie Mon 22-Feb-16 19:32:19

Smoothies do count as does fruit juice. Fruit juice only counts as one portion no matter how much you have but smoothies can count for up to 2 portions. From nhs site:

A: One 150ml glass of unsweetened 100% fruit or vegetable juice can count as a portion. But only one glass counts, so further glasses of juice don't count towards your 5 A DAY.

A smoothie containing all the edible pulped fruit or vegetable may count as more than one 5 A DAY portion, but this depends on the quantity of fruits or vegetables or juice used, as well as how the smoothie has been made.
For example, for a single smoothie to qualify as being two portions, it must contain either:

at least 80g of one variety of whole fruit and/or vegetable and at least 150ml of a different variety of 100% fruit and/or vegetable juice, or
a minimum of 80g of one variety of whole fruit and/or vegetable and at least 80g of another variety of whole fruit and/or vegetable

Limit fruit juice to a small (150ml) glass a day from juice, smoothies or both. Keep it to mealtimes, as it can cause tooth decay. Watch out for drinks that say "juice drink" on the pack, as they are unlikely to count towards your 5 A DAY and can be high in sugar.

feellikeahugefailure Mon 22-Feb-16 19:33:47

how on earth do they not count? Its the whole fruit / veg just blended.

Im not a scientist but it must surely be impossible to distroy fibre in a blender.

Im sure the smoothies in the shops dont count as they are part juice. But my homemade one is just whole fruit / veg.

SonjasSister Mon 22-Feb-16 19:33:57

Check the sugar content - not great for blood sugar control as sugar all quickly absorbed. And fructose (fruit sugar) is especially fattening, supposedly. So if weight control is an issue, I'd avoid.

eastpregnant Mon 22-Feb-16 19:34:26

I thought they counted as one no matter how much fruit and veg is in there because, as others have said, by making them into smoothies you take away a lot of the benefits you'd get from actually eating (rather than drinking) the fruit and veg.

feellikeahugefailure Mon 22-Feb-16 19:34:47

It doesn't say in that link that it can't count for more than two portions though?

feellikeahugefailure Mon 22-Feb-16 19:35:58

I've just had an hour of spinning, half an hour swim and half an hour sauna. All that quick release carbs is exactly what my body craves after that (no weight issues).

SonjasSister Mon 22-Feb-16 19:36:19

Ah. Home made. Still, you've freed up the sugar compared to just chomping on the fruit. Loads better for you than toast and jam however smile

BorisJohnsonsHair Mon 22-Feb-16 19:37:46

it doesn't really matter how many are in it, the idea of your "5 a day" is to get you to eat a mixture of WHOLE fruits and vegetables, as they take longer to eat, digest and give you much more fibre. The idea isn't to put five fruit and veg in a blender and say "job done".

ilovesooty Mon 22-Feb-16 19:37:54

The prevailing opinion seems to be that it doesn't count as four portions. Either go on making smoothies and accept the reduced portion or chew your way through the raw ingredients.

feellikeahugefailure Mon 22-Feb-16 19:41:48

* WHOLE fruits and vegetables, as they take longer to eat, digest and give you much more fibre*

Is is whole fruit / veg in a smoothie. I don't think they take longer to digest (there was a panorama about the same food as a soup and a whole meal and the soup took longer to digest) and im very unconvinced that there is any less fiber in something blended.

I do bleive they say no more than 2 to stop people having the innontinence smothies that are mainly juice and some whole veg, that has been blended, pasturised and already lost lots of its vitamins. No the same as something made in the kitchen and drunk asap.

AnUtterIdiot Mon 22-Feb-16 19:45:47

It's a political decision by the Nutritional Powers That Be because whilst drinking fruit juice is very good for you in some ways, it's also very easy to overload on the sugary bits of the fruit whilst missing out on the fibre-y bits (e.g. if you drink apple juice then you're not getting the skin).

So yes, obviously if you drink 7 glasses of orange juice there isn't some metaphysical process whereby you only get vitamin C from the first one and the rest turns into unicorn dust, but you don't need 7 glasses' worth of vitamin C and you're drinking a ton of sugar so there's a point where the not so good aspects of fruit juice start to outweigh the good ones.

None of this would stop me from drinking a litre of pineapple juice if I wanted to, though.

ilovesooty Mon 22-Feb-16 19:54:27

If you're so convinced you're right why did you bother asking?

SuperCee7 Mon 22-Feb-16 20:01:13

Why didn't you just google this?

arethereanyleftatall Mon 22-Feb-16 20:06:32

Because Google doesn't agree with her either but she can't argue back?

specialsubject Mon 22-Feb-16 20:07:59

why don't you use your teeth if you have them? Much better way to eat food.

kale is in season but that mix sounds...interesting. Mango is lots of water.

still, less sugar than what someone upthread has almost called the incontinence smoothies. Biggest con ever.

dementedpixie Mon 22-Feb-16 20:09:54

By blitzing them you have released all the sugars and broken down the fibres so your body is not going to have to work hard to process it. It is also too easy to just drink down large quantities of smoothie compared with trying to eat the same amount of the whole fruit/veg

BorisJohnsonsHair Mon 22-Feb-16 20:11:11

Well, OP you're the one drinking them, so believe what you like. I was just pointing out that the Government's campaign of "5 a day" was to encourage people to eat a wide variety of fruits and vegetables.

If you Google it, I'm sure you'll find that smoothies are not recommended because of the amount you take in so quickly. For example, it's much easier to drink a glass of apple juice than it is to eat 6 apples. So the amount of sugar (and therefore calories) you're eating is so much more.

If you've ever been on Slimming World diets, they only allow whole fruits to count as "free" food; juiced, smoothied or cooked fruit has to be counted in your allowances for the same reasons.

JasperDamerel Mon 22-Feb-16 20:17:55

Does that mean that blended soup doesn't count, either? So if you cook, say, carrots, celery, spinach and an apple in stock until they are soft and then blend them into a smooth soup, that counts as X portions of fruit and veg, but if you put carrots, spinach, celery, an apple and some ginger into a nutribullet and blend it into a smoothie, then it doesn't count?

lougle Mon 22-Feb-16 20:38:57

Google glycaemic index. The GI of a food is altered by its state on eating. A jacket potato has a lower GI than boiled potatoes. Boiled potato is lower GI than mashed potato.

Apple juice is higher GI than apple puree, which is higher GI than a baked apple, which is higher GI than a raw apple.

You are right that the fibre will still be there, but the fibre has been pulverised and the juice released, so the sugars will be immediately available (high GI) rather than in the whole fruit, where the sugars would only be accessed through the breakdown of those fibres (lower GI).

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