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To think that seeing Galloway, Farage and Johnson in the same camp makes it obvious which way to vote.

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DreamingofSummer Mon 22-Feb-16 10:15:42

We don't need four months of campaigning to see that.

AlpacaLypse Mon 22-Feb-16 10:20:18

Personally I'm hoping to see a debate that isn't based on UK politics but about whether the EU as it is today is working. Which I don't think it is. I don't have a problem with having close trading ties with Europe. I do have a problem with the Gordian knot of financial bureaucratic mess that is the current unwieldy EU though.

VertigoNun Mon 22-Feb-16 10:21:50

Yabu, it's not about personalities. Do you feel the same about Labour's team in the out camp or Blair, Osborne and Cameron?

scarednoob Mon 22-Feb-16 10:24:53

Yabu. people who vote on personalities rather than policies should stick to the "big brother" phone-vote.

EnthusiasmDisturbed Mon 22-Feb-16 10:27:43

Galloway was on the radio this morning he certainly latching on to Boris grin I can imagine Boris furious this wasn't part of his master plan to become PM

Hilarious Gallaway and Boris grin

woody2976 Mon 22-Feb-16 10:28:06

i agree not because of their personalities but i know my views are never compatible with theirs

ComeonSummer1 Mon 22-Feb-16 10:28:24

No I don't op. I think you would be making a huge mistake by making this basically anyone who votes to leave is basically a little englander racist.

That simplistic view did for Gordon Brown and his 'racist' slur during his election campaign.

People's fears and concerns need ti he respected and addressed.

Remember Farrage got 3 million votes at the last election like it or not.

And i think he's odious.

allthingsred Mon 22-Feb-16 10:29:01

I think that because Galloway & Farage are so openly on the leave campaign & the idea of supporting anything they are involved with leaves such a bad taste In people's mouths the arguments for leaving won't be heard. People just won't want to support anything they do.
You can only hope that everyone who votes looks past the people fronting either side remember they are not voting for a political party & make their decision based on facts & figures.
I'll be basing mine on which side is gonna be giving my kids a better place to live.

VertigoNun Mon 22-Feb-16 10:32:03

I wouldn't worry along with lots of tory and kippers there are many who despite despising these characters can look past the personality. I am not even interested in what they have to say, my mind was made up before they came out as supporting leave.

timetobackout Mon 22-Feb-16 10:32:53

Totally Yabu, can you not make up your own mind

Ps Seeing Field, Hoey and Wollaston in the same camp makes it obvious
which way to vote.

ollieplimsoles Mon 22-Feb-16 10:35:50

I'm hoping for a debate on not just the uk position, but the eu as a whole also

BaskingTrout Mon 22-Feb-16 10:41:13

although someone did describe a photo of all the main leave campaigners on the internet as "a full house in twat bingo"

I do think a proper debate is exactly what we need, so that we get further than scaremongering headlines and fear.

DreamingofSummer Mon 22-Feb-16 10:45:17

I loathe Farage and every little englander thing he says and does

I loathe Galloway for his misogyny, anti-semitism, his dishonesty and general thuggist behaviour.

There's a coherent case to be made for leaving as there is for staying, but seeing these two and their clownish colleague turn the voters away in droves makes me think the result is a foregone conclusion for Remain.

EatenEasterChocsAlready Mon 22-Feb-16 10:53:20

Op your -op makes me cringe sorry!

Its just that for a long time, a reason for not giving women the vote was because they couldn't be trusted to look behind the face of the politician and actually look at policies <eek>.

Galloway, ouch, awful, I will never forget his cat moment on CBB.

Do I care one toss that he has got some publicity by deciding to go for this?

No. A Big, Fat NO.

Its all too important to be swayed by figure heads and equally I don't get the Johnson crush either?

Please look beyond the personalities if your voting.

VertigoNun Mon 22-Feb-16 10:53:30

Long before the motley crew gathered I thought we would remain. We will be scaremongered into staying by the press. I am still voting leave.

caitlinohara Mon 22-Feb-16 11:00:26

YABU. There are twats on both sides.

However, I am thoroughly bored of the whole thing already, and we've another 4 months to go. shock

AgainstTheGlock Mon 22-Feb-16 11:03:00

YABU - this isn't school - you are expected to vote on policy - not pick your friends for your team.

wasonthelist Mon 22-Feb-16 11:05:04

YABU - I could cite an equally loathsome list of "stayers" - it's not about the who, it's the what.

Seriouslyffs Mon 22-Feb-16 11:06:13

I agree with Dreaming
It's an incredibly complicated issue and I can have three strong and differing opinions before breakfast. Then I look at the Brexit camp and stop thinking about it because I wouldn't want to ally myself with them. My enemies enemy and all that.

Turbinaria Mon 22-Feb-16 11:07:17

If we vote out then there is more chance Cameron goes and Boris has his chance - so Boris' motives are questionable.

OnlyLovers Mon 22-Feb-16 11:08:07

If I never see Galloway, Farage and Johnson in the same picture again it'll be too soon. What a sight.

But I'm firmly pro-staying-the-fuck-in-Europe anyway, so the political issues are already, for me, separate from the fact that I find them all as odious as each other.

a reason for not giving women the vote was because they couldn't be trusted to look behind the face of the politician and actually look at policies
I don't think we've left this attitude behind. Not to women and voting, but to the public in general and voting. So much effort is devoted to pushing and developing politicians' supposed 'electability', much of which seems to be about appearance/how they sound/photo opps etc.

OnlyLovers Mon 22-Feb-16 11:08:40

Turbinaria, I agree with you about that. Boris's motives are utterly transparent.

Fontella Mon 22-Feb-16 11:10:32

Nope. Boris can do whatever he likes, it won't affect my decision one iota.

There are arseholes on both sides of this debate and I'm voting OUT, because It's what I believe, regardless of who is on the same side as me on this particular issue.

MuddlingMackem Mon 22-Feb-16 11:32:49

I'll be voting OUT too. The EU in its current state is a bureaucratic behemoth which totally needs sorting. The UK leaving might well be the kick up the backside the organisation needs to sort itself out.

And there's nothing to stop us joining a reorganised EU in the future if it's in our interests to do so, is there?

ComeonSummer1 Mon 22-Feb-16 11:44:11

My concern as a woman and a mother of teen dds is that we are welcoming hundreds of young men into our society who come from totally different cultures some of which have very little respect for women.

We saw what happened in
Germany. Although the authorities tried to cover it up.

Controlling of borders isn't just about keeping 'foreigners' out its deeper than that.

It's a debate that is shunned by the inners.

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