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To agree with jamie oliver's principles, but still think he's a twat

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molyholy Sun 07-Feb-16 09:40:24

I agree with his campaigns, but he is an absolute dickhead. Really unlikeable.

OurBlanche Sun 07-Feb-16 09:42:12

What brought that on?

- sorry, that was meant from nosiness, not as sharp as it might appear smile What has he done?

TurnOffTheTv Sun 07-Feb-16 09:43:06

Is there any need?

FindoGask Sun 07-Feb-16 09:43:07

are you watching him on Andrew Marr? His message to David Cameron was frustratingly inarticulate! "just... put everything in the basket... otherwise... we'll have to get ninja". He's been working on this campaign for months and that's the best he can manage?

I'm not sure what good a sugar tax will do anyway, but I'm willing to be persuaded otherwise. I agree that cheap, freely available crappy food and drink is part of a huge public health problem.

OohMavis Sun 07-Feb-16 09:43:09

I can't say I've ever heard of anything he's said or done that brands him a dickhead, to be honest.

Apart from those meals on a budget recipes (take this £40 piece of meat and add lots of olive oil... It's cheap because it will stretch to three meals!) but I'd call that misguided and unaware rather than outright twattishness.

timemaychangeme Sun 07-Feb-16 09:47:13

I like him. He is like an enthusiastic puppy. He could sit back and retire on his zillions, but he puts himself out there and genuinely seems to care a lot about the food and health of the nation. He comes across as warm and friendly and not precious, shouty and up himself.

Gobbolino6 Sun 07-Feb-16 09:47:28

I interviewed him once, about 5 years ago, and yes, at the time he set my twat radar on fire. Every second word was 'fucking'...in the end I stopped making notes and just tallied the fucks, I got up to 75 before I decided to make notes again. He was so incredibly up his own arse.

Of course, he could have changed in 5 years. His campaigns have a point but are insultingly out of touch with the situation of the people he's addressing.

molyholy Sun 07-Feb-16 09:48:36

Yes andrew marr. Ninja.

ThroughThickAndThin01 Sun 07-Feb-16 09:49:22

I like him.

Very very much grin

QueenLaBeefah Sun 07-Feb-16 09:50:58

I think he has a bit of a god complex going on.

TypicallyEnglishMustard Sun 07-Feb-16 09:51:48

I also get the twat impression from him.

I agree with the principles of what he's campaigning for, yet he's so insufferably middle-class about the whole thing. And I truly don't enjoy the whole, "Trying to be down to earth, I'm your best mate from down the pub" persona. I find it patronising and glib.

ThroughThickandThin01 - are you Jules? smile

ClashCityRocker Sun 07-Feb-16 09:54:14

I find him a bit cringy but I think he is well-intentioned.

However, I think it is impossible for anyone who is very wealthy and successful and who is unlikely to have faced the problems his target group have to be taken seriously - particularly when his budget meals were erm, not particularly budget friendly.

He can come across as a bit smug too.

I do like the food waste campaign though and would love to see 'wonky vegetables' for sale more. I'd buy them!

limitedperiodonly Sun 07-Feb-16 09:56:06

I watched him on Marr. He came over very badly - talking about 'going ninja' and making dark threats about 'going underground' and getting 'them' out.

Like FindoGask said, he had a lot of time to prepare for this and he came over as a teenager looking forward to his first Occupy march.

No wonder Jeremy Hunt easily batted him aside and was able to snigger about 'going ninja'.

MaryPoppinsPenguins Sun 07-Feb-16 09:58:16

I think he's really well intentioned, and people are always going to be just on the wrong side of twat when they devote themselves to trying to change things that the majority don't want changed.

I think he's great, and pretty selfless actually.

OohMavis Sun 07-Feb-16 09:58:17

Has anyone seen his TED talk? I think he battles a fear of public speaking. He was a nervous wreck. Maybe that explains his weird comments.

thebestfurchinchilla Sun 07-Feb-16 10:03:15

I like him. He is loaded and really doesn't NEED to lift his head above the parapet to be shot down by his critics. He could lie on beaches every day if he wanted to,so he obviously has good intentions. Give him a break.

jay55 Sun 07-Feb-16 10:07:51

He has some good ideas but no education and limited vocabulary so it's difficult for him to express them properly. Good for him for trying though.

limitedperiodonly Sun 07-Feb-16 10:09:59

Some people don't want to lie on beaches even when they are loaded.

They like lifting their heads above the parapet and telling people their views. Being rich helps them do this.

Look at Donald Trump

Moln Sun 07-Feb-16 10:16:19

People agreeing or disagreeing with you will depend on their interpretation if 'twat'. To me a twat is someone with idiotic views.

Jamie has idiotic views. He simply CANNOT grasp the effect poverty has on lifestyle. I seriously doubt he could have missed people's views about the 'budget' meals only being budget if you have enough money. Nor does he seem to want to grasp that life's little pleasures differ depending in your income (children watch TV as a pastime when mum and dad can't afford many different activities).

Being disillusioned and blinkered doesn't make him wrong though. People are eating lots of junk and sugary food; this consumption is causing an increase in obesity (along with the increased amount in general the average person eats). Obesity is a bigger problem in certain social economical groups.

To come across as less of a twat he really needs to grasp the 'why' first.

I say all this without having seen the Andrew Marr interview.

molyholy Sun 07-Feb-16 10:19:16

I agree with a pp who said he has a bit of a god complex. I seen a show where the showed a clip of his programme where he went to america to tackle obesity. He obviously is very well intentioned but he was crying that people don't understand that when he's around 'magic happens'. They were his own words.

QueenLaBeefah Sun 07-Feb-16 10:21:21

He is not selfless. He is a multi millionaire. He gets paid very well for his campaigns which also raise his profile and helps him sell more cook books and more bums on seats in his restaurants.

If he bans (not raises the price) of sugary drinks in his restaurant I will take him seriously. At the moment it is just another of his PR campaigns.

SevenOfNineTrue Sun 07-Feb-16 10:35:51

I admire him for trying to make a difference. He could just sit on his backside but he is trying to educate people on healthy eating.

TheWoodenSpoonOfMischief Sun 07-Feb-16 10:43:31

I like him too and think he's done some amazing stuff.
He's really put himself out there and is passionate about what he believes in.
It's a shame he has to do what he has to do but without him school dinners would still be a pile of crap and a lot people less knowledgable about food.

Gunting Sun 07-Feb-16 10:49:17

He may be inarticulate and lack a wide vocabulary but he's very severely dyslexic so I'd imagine that has some part in it.

I met him once accidentally (rebelling on a school trip, ran away from a museum and climbed over a small fence.... Small fence was a boundary for a tv show he was making) and he was making. He was sat in a caravan getting make up painted on him. He was nice but his security was a massive twat. grin

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