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to be worried about my daughter's future safety in Europe as a young secular woman?

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rodriguez66 Sat 23-Jan-16 18:53:59

I have a 6 year old daughter. I can't stop worrying about whether it will be safe for her in Europe in the future as a young woman after the sexual assaults all over Europe. I hate to think that she would not be able to enjoy the freedoms I take for granted as a woman and I do not want her to have to hide her femininity because some men cannot control themselves. I want her to be able to dress how she wants when she is older and be able to speak her mind without being scared. Is this completely irrational? My husband thinks I am worrying too much but obviously he is not a woman.

srslylikeomg Sat 23-Jan-16 18:55:24

Oh please

TweenageAngst Sat 23-Jan-16 18:55:41

Your Husband is right.

originalmavis Sat 23-Jan-16 18:56:02

Safe as in Inter-railing around Europe when she's 17 or going to uni at 18 in Bristol?

NeedAScarfForMyGiraffe Sat 23-Jan-16 18:58:13

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

hiddenhome2 Sat 23-Jan-16 18:58:17

She'll probably be okay, but I do expect to see women's rights eroded over the coming years. It'll be subtle at first, but then gain momentum.

ghostyslovesheep Sat 23-Jan-16 18:58:38

yabu - sexual violence isn't a new invention

HermioneWeasley Sat 23-Jan-16 19:03:07

YANBU. What happened in Cologne should be a wake up call. Sweden has reported a huge spike in sexual assaults and the chief of police in Finland has warned of the same. I'm worried for all women and girls in Europe.

Julietee Sat 23-Jan-16 19:03:21

This terrifies me too. I really, truly hope I'm being over anxious and we can protect our secular, liberal freedoms and way of life.

Lauren15 Sat 23-Jan-16 19:05:00

FFS sexual and violent assaults against women are hardly a new phenomenon.

hiddenhome2 Sat 23-Jan-16 19:05:26

yabu - sexual violence isn't a new invention

No, but tolerance of it is a bit problematic. Sexual assaults throughout Europe have been covered up apparently - Denmark and Sweden to name two.

If things are being covered up, then it means they're tolerated.

hiddenhome2 Sat 23-Jan-16 19:06:42

FFS sexual and violent assaults against women are hardly a new phenomenon.

Wow, let's get with it and embrace them then hmm

People are missing the point.

Ginkypig Sat 23-Jan-16 19:06:46

If you had said 17 (young adult) year old dd traveling in one of the areas where these attacks took place now fair enough as it stands though yabu.

For what it's worth though most/all of us feel the same about women being able to be women without fear of attack in a perfect world but as it's not....yet it's a wish rather than a reality

ThroughThickAndThin01 Sat 23-Jan-16 19:08:03

Yanbu to be pessimistic about what the world will look like in 10 years, I don't think. I guess worrying specifically about your dd when she is only 6 is a bit over the top though.

pigsDOfly Sat 23-Jan-16 19:08:05

If these assaults are being covered up, how are we hearing about them?

Ginkypig Sat 23-Jan-16 19:08:35

But all the fibres of my being are disgusted that we arnt in a world where women are safe!

Babyroobs Sat 23-Jan-16 19:18:24

YANBU. It's a worrying sitaution.

toffeeboffin Sat 23-Jan-16 19:23:59

I would worry too, OP.

When I was a teenager I wouldn't have thought twice about inter railing around Europe, especially Germany and Northern Europe. Now, not so much.

And it's only going to get worse. As a PP said, covering it up means some degree of tolerance.

Yes, Lauren, it's a hardly a new phenomena. But it's a new phenomenon in public places, where it's been covered up.

What are we supposed to do, sit down and shut up about it, quit our whinging? confused

Because that's what women have been fighting for for centuries, freedom and women's rights.

We need to move fast or we are heading back to the Middle Ages, just like all those women in Iran, Iraq, ME, Afghanistan, Africa etc.

Leelu6 Sat 23-Jan-16 19:25:11


hiddenhome2 Sat 23-Jan-16 19:53:00

If these assaults are being covered up, how are we hearing about them?

Because of Cologne. The truth has come to the surface due to the outcry in Germany.

hiddenhome2 Sat 23-Jan-16 19:53:41

Is that a breast Lee?

Where's the other one?

maybebabybee Sat 23-Jan-16 19:56:43

Oh for Christ's sake.

Yanbu to be worried about her. YABU to think the risk is any greater now than it has been before.

Heatherbell1978 Sat 23-Jan-16 19:58:59

Europe is a big place. Will she be living in a croft in the Highlands or working in a topless bar in Magaluf? I think you're being a tad OTT.

HermioneWeasley Sat 23-Jan-16 20:00:22

Of course the risk is higher than before - are you not reading how the reported number of sexual assaults has increased? Over 500 women have come forward from NYE in Cologne - that's a huge increase.

I'm not going to be silenced because of the incionvenuent truth of the race, religion or nationalities of the perpetrators.

MrsTerryPratchett Sat 23-Jan-16 20:46:55

I think the OP is silly (sorry) but I do think there is an issue to be addressed. The sexual assault reports from Europe are a great example. The right-wingers were screaming about something, so I checked usually good sources for a refutation, thinking that the fascists were doing their usual. No refutation, no confirmation; tumbleweed. Very odd.

Now it turns out that something very very serious and newsworthy had happened and that certain news outlets were silent on it. I'm sorry but that does look like a cover-up and it does look like women's safety, rights and voice are being eroded.

I think immigration is great, I'm an immigrant myself. I think it's force for good. I also think that we need to make sure that there is not a fight between cultural relativism and women's rights which ends up with women losing.

We weren't safe before, let's not become even less safe.

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