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to think that it is ludicrous that you can not work here (Irish citizen) without a passport?

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WildeWoman Thu 21-Jan-16 16:40:25

FFS.
I'm Irish.
Eligible to work here.
Want to work.
Went to agency meeting today ahead of job interview.
Apparently, you can't work here without a passport unless you are British.

Am I the last to know?

Oh - and before you ask, passport was stolen. It will take 6 weeks for new one to issue.

Such bollox.

Grilledaubergines Thu 21-Jan-16 16:42:40

Why do you think it's unreasonable?

Oh and I think you are being unreasonable. Checks need to be made to ensure non-Brits are in Britain legally. Passports are the way we do this.

LeotardoDaVinci Thu 21-Jan-16 16:45:12

Don't you also need a National Insurance number????

Fatfreefaff Thu 21-Jan-16 16:46:37

I'm British. I had to bring my passport when I started my current job 15 years ago. Yes it is inconvenient but employers are punished if you turn out to be working illegally or a fraudster.

NuggetofPurestGreen Thu 21-Jan-16 16:47:05

You can work while waiting for the NI number Leotard.

jay55 Thu 21-Jan-16 16:48:00

I'm British and still have to give passport, and loads of other stuff like bills for proof of address Before I start a new contract.

TheSecondViola Thu 21-Jan-16 16:48:49

You don't have to have a passport, you only have to prove that you can legally work in the UK.

Sweetpotatocurry Thu 21-Jan-16 16:49:11

You do not need a passport to travel to the UK from Roi (special agreement) so this is strange. I am Irish too, have always given in my passport for jobs, but I thought any photo ID would suffice, so drivers licence etc. Could you ring passport office and get it upgraded to the quicker process? Also maybe worth checking with Dept for work and pensions

MitzyLeFrouf Thu 21-Jan-16 16:54:15

In my workplace everyone needs to give a copy of their passport regardless of their nationality.

WildeWoman Thu 21-Jan-16 16:54:44

I have a National Insurance number.

It's unreasonable, because, a passport is a travel document, not proof of eligibility to work.

My Irish birth cert, my Irish driving licence and my Irish National Identity card are insufficient.

I wouldn't mind if I needed a visa or something, but what does a passport prove? What happens if I stay in the UK in the same job for 20 years - do they check you have a fucking passport every year?

And the most sickening thing is that the B****** who stole my passport is probably happily working here with my passport.

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MitzyLeFrouf Thu 21-Jan-16 16:55:43

'Don't you also need a National Insurance number????'

I was initially issued with a temporary NI number. I was taxed at a much higher rate though.

Grilledaubergines Thu 21-Jan-16 16:55:44

It's proof of identity.

lljkk Thu 21-Jan-16 16:56:24

When new passport comes, get photocopies of it.

mimbleandlittlemy Thu 21-Jan-16 16:56:33

All UK employers have a legal obligation to make sure you have a right to work legally in the UK. I have worked for my employer for 23 years. When the new law came in I had to produce my passport even though I had been working for them a very long time. That's the way it is.

www.gov.uk/check-job-applicant-right-to-work

WildeWoman Thu 21-Jan-16 16:56:49

It hasn't come up until today, because up until now, I had my passport and driving licence and just gave the passport as ID when starting work etc.

It's a complete and utter bollox.

BathtimeFunkster Thu 21-Jan-16 17:02:17

How can your birth certificate not be enough?

That's the document that proves your right to work in the UK.

Stupid.

WildeWoman Thu 21-Jan-16 17:02:52

Apparently, a photocopy is not sufficient. Has to be a true copy of original, verified by employer.

MitzyLeFrouf Thu 21-Jan-16 17:04:11

So will your interview go ahead despite this 6 week passport delay?

MitzyLeFrouf Thu 21-Jan-16 17:05:39

And are you sure it will take 6 weeks, I had a passport issued to me in half that time. Some UK post offices offer an express service for Irish passports.

BillSykesDog Thu 21-Jan-16 17:06:15

That's right and applies to British people too by the looks of things. Here is the current advice:

www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/441957/employers_guide_to_acceptable_right_to_work_documents_v5.pdf

Looks like it has to be biometric now so has to be a passport or residence permit, not a drivers licence.

It looks like there is a way round it by them checking with the Home Office but it would only be something a perm job would do, definitely too much hassle for an agency.

You can get a fast track Irish passport in the UK in London or Liverpool, it took about 7 days when I did it, but that must have been at least 5 years ago.

mumeeee Thu 21-Jan-16 17:06:35

Most jobs want you to show you have a passport to show you are eligible to work in the UK and that includes British citizen.

balletgirlmum Thu 21-Jan-16 17:06:45

It's nothing to do with you being Irish.

It will be because you don't have an original copy of a full (not short) birth certificate.

QueenLaBeefah Thu 21-Jan-16 17:06:49

Employers can be fined something like £20k per illegal worker hired. The company I work for won't hire you without seeing your passport.

lljkk Thu 21-Jan-16 17:07:04

No you don't take expect employer to accept photocopy, but having photocopy can make it faster to get a replacement. It also can help the employer justify choosing you over another applicant if they can indicate why they think you'll soon be able to prove your legal right to work in UK.

BillSykesDog Thu 21-Jan-16 17:08:16

Oh and birth certs, but only UK ones.

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