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To think england manages its taxes and services much better than Scotland or Wales

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DyslexicScientist Mon 18-Jan-16 21:38:58

Scotland seems to all be about being generous and fuck the consequence. All these major policies like council tax freeze, letting people in council properties having a spare room, no tutition fees for anyone in Europe (unless your English obviously) and free prescriptions.

But the life expectancy is much lower despite all the extra money on healthcare and education results are worse in Scotland and wales.

dementedma Mon 18-Jan-16 21:43:00

Ooft, this will go well! I live in Scotland and think things like free prescriptions are simply SNP crowd pleasers to keep the masses happy. It will come back to bite them on the arse as people hopefully start to realise that the in depth economic policies are not robust and that the fluff is not enough....

DyslexicScientist Mon 18-Jan-16 21:47:53

I think that's the word I was looking for croud pleasers. Thanks.

It just seems like all these policies are ill thought out, and on there own sound great. But for all these benefits there is obviously a cost. Things like free prescriptions for people that can afford them ibdont agree with. Then again that's a bit the same in england, many people with diabetes gave it to themselves and now get them all for free. But people with asthma have to pay

wasonthelist Mon 18-Jan-16 21:53:35

Good grief.

PeridotPassion Mon 18-Jan-16 21:54:20

The most recent education figures I can find is that around 67% of GCSE passes were A*-C in Wales and that figure was 69% in the rest of the UK.

[shrugs] . If the gap was wider then i'd be worried. IMO the difference is low enough to be negligible.

In Wales the life expectancy for males is higher than that in England. Lower than England for females.

Not quite sure what your point is.

Robertaquimby Mon 18-Jan-16 21:54:37

Where is your evidence that education results are better in England than Scotland?

Means testing for prescriptions is very bureaucratic and costly. Scrapping this has saved a lotvof money.

FoggyMorn Mon 18-Jan-16 21:57:02

Have a biscuit op.

GiddyOnZackHunt Mon 18-Jan-16 21:59:36

Can you point to something concrete rather than just your own assertions?

SetPhasersTaeMalkie Mon 18-Jan-16 22:00:19

I keep typing comments and deleting. grin

It's certainly quite a sweeping statement.

DyslexicScientist Mon 18-Jan-16 22:00:56

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-26681098

This said that Scotland had the lowest life expectancy.

I highly doubt means testing prescriptions saves money! On benefits you get them for free, same as England does. No extra means testing needed. Just have to have a bit of paper saying your entitled to them.

Ubik1 Mon 18-Jan-16 22:02:58

Let's have a heated debate!

PersephonePitstop Mon 18-Jan-16 22:03:14

How could anyone argue with such a well articulated argument? hmm

Robertaquimby Mon 18-Jan-16 22:04:30

You highly doubt...... So you don't actually know anything about it then.

Any evidence about Scottish education that you care to share with us?

DyslexicScientist Mon 18-Jan-16 22:05:21

The debate is about if these croud pleasers do more harm than good. I'm no expect, obvs, but I'm inclined to think they don't help long term.

SetPhasersTaeMalkie Mon 18-Jan-16 22:05:55

<throws shortbread at ubik>

silvermantela Mon 18-Jan-16 22:06:10

'No tuition fees anywhere in Europe...' Actually Welsh students do pay tuition fees, although they do have a partial grant. Scottish students pay full tuition fees if they study anywhere other than Scotland.

English students would pay exactly the same as Welsh or Scottish ones if any of the three went to, say, Denmark, Germany etc.

At least do your research before starting a bunfight!

DyslexicScientist Mon 18-Jan-16 22:06:42

No I'm pretty certain the whole means testing is expensive let's scrap it is bull for prescriptions. As no extra means testing is needed.

AliceInUnderpants Mon 18-Jan-16 22:06:46

letting people in council properties having a spare room

Since when?

CaptainCrunch Mon 18-Jan-16 22:07:08

Is this a school project dear, that's about the level of your debate. In other news, fuck off, you have no idea what you're talking about. Hope this helps.

Ubik1 Mon 18-Jan-16 22:07:15

That BBC story actually says that life expectancy in scotland is improving.

Not that I expect you to have actually read it nor understood it.

Are you Katie Hopkins?

ComposHatComesBack Mon 18-Jan-16 22:07:36

education results are worse in Scotland.

I guess you've got some compelling evidence for that?

Bailey101 Mon 18-Jan-16 22:07:48

A shorter life expectancy in Scotland is nothing to do with how taxes are spent - it's because we spend all our time drinking buckfast and eating deep fried mars bars. Duh.

SetPhasersTaeMalkie Mon 18-Jan-16 22:07:57

Well possibly they don't help long term OP. Who knows?

I'm feeling very philosophical tonight.

<passes round sweeties>

DyslexicScientist Mon 18-Jan-16 22:08:13

English students would pay exactly the same as Welsh or Scottish ones if any of the three went to, say, Denmark, Germany etc.

English Scottish and Welsh students in Denmark and Germany pay the same.

Danish or Swedish students don't pay the same in Scotland and English and welsh. That was the point.

ilovesooty Mon 18-Jan-16 22:09:08

I'm gobsmacked at your comments about people with diabetes giving it to themselves. hmm

I thought the original OP was poorly thought out but you've surpassed yourself there.

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