To think right wing small c conservatives are winging the debate all over the Western World.

[AmyWatt1972]

Social Conservatives (not necessarily torys) are doing well across countries across the world.

Trump is likely to be the next republican candidate and if certain polls are right could win up to 43 states.

www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-01-08/new-poll-shows-donald-trump-is-a-real-threat-to-hillary-clinton

www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/05/poll-shows-gops-two-rival-wings-combine-to-50-percent-for-2016/

In Britain the no EU poll is surging ahead and I heard on the big questions that only 7% of women are feminists. Polls are also showing that the public is taking conservative stances on refugees and monarchy.

Aibu to think 2015 was the year the left wing lost the argument and 2016 the year real conservatism is brought back to life.

P.S Thanks Corbyn and The Guardian.

[SuperSofiaL]

7% of British women feminist

[ghostyslovesheep]

no :)

and if you think Trump is mildly conservative you are deluded !

[AmyWatt1972]

Winning not winging.

[AmyWatt1972]

Trump is a conservative (not Tory), he opposed mass immigration and wants to preserve Christian values.

[BIWI]

And your point is?

[ghostyslovesheep]

yeah he also want to round up Muslims and throw out Mexicans - not very small C

But yes - your point is?

I'm long enough in the tooth to have seen all this before - several times - politics wax and wane and normal service is usually restored eventually

[AmyWatt1972]

That Marxist causes are no longer accepted by the British public and people are sick of their snobby opinions on ordinary people.

They have lost and every time their is a terror incident or a Cologne incident it shows just how wrong and dangerous the left is.

[ghostyslovesheep]

okay then :)

I'll leave you to your 'debate' - funny AIBU if you've already decided

[OTheHugeManatee]

Back when the Berlin Wall fell, what happened was that the capitalists won the economic argument and the Marxists ended up with the cultural one, as a kind of booby prize. The effects of this can be seen 30 years later in the way our culture combines predatory capitalism with a Marxian view of ideology, power and oppressed 'identities'.

If that division is now being challenged - questioning free markets, questioning cultural Marxism - then I think that's a good thing.

[ilovesooty]

Oh dear. I can't see an intelligent debate on the horizon here.

[ilovesooty]

Apologies to Manatee who I respect even if I don't agree with you.

[MuttonDressedAsMutton]

So - errrr - can one be conservative (with whatever sized 'C') without being a Tory? I'm not sure you've made that clear enough. Not that anything in your post is clear so don't be thinking you're the next great political thinker of our time!

[ComposHatComesBack]

No, what is happening is that multichannel TV and internet allows you to consume news that reflects your own views.

All that you've proved is that you really don't understand how opinion polling works and how easy it is to manipulate a poll.

This article explains how polling can be shaped by the method used can produce very different results.

[stampedingthefields]

I certainly think there's been a shift to right wing policies, which isn't reflected on here of course.

[ComposHatComesBack]

yeah he also want to round up Muslims and throw out Mexicans - not very small C

No, Trump is a colossal C.

[Ineedtimeoff]

left wing views = snobby?
How did you work that out?

conservatives most certainly haven't won the debate with me or in the rest of Scotland.

[AmyWatt1972]

Emily Thornberry is a snob and left wing. Most Guardian readers I have met have been snobs who look down on working class people.

Scotland is an exception but it has always been attracted to the far left.

[BIWI]

How dreary you are.

[Atenco]

Yes, you are right, OP, fascism is on the rise. I'm glad it at least makes you happy.

[ComposHatComesBack]

Social Conservatives (not necessarily torys) are doing well across countries across the world.

You don't understand what is meant by socially conservative. It doesn't mean you are on the right politically.

A labour voting devout Catholic would have left wing political views but may well be a social conservative on matters like equal marriage, abortion or premarital sex.

Likewise a rabidly free market conservative may take a libertarian view that it is none of the state's business who someone marries, takes drugs or does to their body.

You seem confused op.

[TheCatsMeow]

OP since when have the left looked down on the working class?

Proud socialist here I'm afraid

[ilovesooty]

OP "Which newspaper do you read?"
Other person "The Guardian usually"
OP "I knew as soon as I met you that you were a snob. My first impressions are never wrong"

[stampedingthefields]

I think it is fair to say that a faction of the left - which can indeed be characterised by Guardian readership - look down on the working classes.

They look down on a class of people who are concerned by the level of immigration as it directly affects both their wages and their way of life and band them racist. They look down on those who shun benefit payouts for work and seek to loftily inform them that benefits claimants are innocent victims, whereas those who actually work are uppity and need taking down a peg or two.

They have nothing to offer those who work.

It's small wonder the working class have therefore turned away in disgust to UKIP.

[Mistigri]

Anyone who uses Breitbart as a source, and who describes Trump as a "small c conservative" is talking out of their backside.

If any US presidential candidate deserves to be described as a small c conservative then in many respects it's probably Hillary. And possibly Kasich on the republican side. The rest of them are libertarians, evangelists, circus acts and crooks.

[NotDavidTennant]

There does seem to be a growth of right-wing counter-cultural movements, e.g. the Tea Party movement, Men's Rights Activism, GamerGate, previously fringe nationalist parties such as UKIP and the Front National. None of it has broken through into the mainstream so far, but it feels like a growing (and worrying) undercurrent in Western culture.

Why this should be happening now is an interesting question with, I suspect, a complex set of answers.