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to think this is a huge double standard? (potentially triggering)

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RivieraKid Fri 15-Jan-16 17:13:44

I've been wondering whether to post this for a couple of days but I have to do something. I'm part of a group who are in a short film, it's not 'the industry' by any means but it's work essentially, we are all being paid. One scene calls for very rough sex (consensual, but uncomfortable). The actress playing the woman is fine with it, but the man is not. We tried filming the scene earlier this week and he kind of froze and didn't want to continue. Our director told him that as he's a guy he should be enjoying it and 'oh yeah I forgot that all actors are faggots'. Several of us objected and we stopped filming, but were told not to rock the boat and that he was free to walk out if he wanted. It's been rescheduled for the weekend and I'm hugely disturbed, am I wrong to think that if this was a woman we'd be in fucking uproar? I don't know what to do, the director says he meant it in a jokey way and we were being paranoid, it seems as though most cast/crew are supporting that but I don't think we were paranoid? Actor doesn't want to talk about it says he wants to let it go.

Griphook Fri 15-Jan-16 19:10:22

I honestly don't think you would get a different reaction if it was a woman, I think she would be told exactly the same thing

TheCatsMeow Fri 15-Jan-16 19:14:27

It's unacceptable behaviour and is misogynistic and homophobic

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Fri 15-Jan-16 19:16:47

I'd also say its unacceptable. Simulated sex I hope assume?

Andrewofgg Fri 15-Jan-16 19:21:51

It's not misogynistic, whatever it is; it's a man being offensive to a man. Homophobic certainly and perhaps misandrist.

frikadela01 Fri 15-Jan-16 19:27:17

I have no knowledge of the industry but I imagine like griphook says that it would be the same with a women. Of course it's. 100%wrong but I imagine in shall we say the lower end of the industry this type of behaviour is rife.

TheCatsMeow Fri 15-Jan-16 19:28:30


The idea that "all men love sex" comes from gender roles, pushed by patriarchy, a misogynistic system. So it is misogynistic.

RivieraKid Fri 15-Jan-16 19:29:09

It is simulated yes. cats - Is it misogynistic if it's to a guy? I just can't get it out of my head and we're supposed to be shooting tomorrow. I want to support him and if he doesn't want to talk about it then I don't want to make him, but...It's hard to explain how it felt. I know other cast/crew didn't buy that we were being paranoid or that he was joking. I thought the actor was going to have a panic attack.

RivieraKid Fri 15-Jan-16 19:29:34

Oh, x-post re misogyny. Sorry.

TheCatsMeow Fri 15-Jan-16 19:30:57

Yeah people think misogyny is just kitchen jokes and stuff but it's much more subtle than that

RivieraKid Fri 15-Jan-16 19:32:12

The actress was fine with it as I said but they made sure she was (which is great, obviously) hence my shock at the comments to the male actor.

SolidGoldBrass Fri 15-Jan-16 19:35:26

It's not acceptable. Poor man. Though I think it is mainly down to the director being a bullying prick - I would imagine he would have been just as horrible to the actress if she had objected.

frikadela01 Fri 15-Jan-16 19:35:53

I often wonder when I see rape scenes in films how much help the perpetrators get with the emotions around it. I imagine the victim gets help (rightly so) but I can't imagine playing the role of an attacker is exactly easy... In fact DP has mentioned before that he doesn't know how the actors carry out those scenes.

frikadela01 Fri 15-Jan-16 19:37:03

Obviously when I say victim and perpetrator I mean the actors playing them... post reads a bit strange.

RivieraKid Fri 15-Jan-16 19:45:10

Oh god does it sound like a porn film? When I said 'the industry' I meant the film industry, that it's not super professional standard - it's not a porn film!

TheCatsMeow Fri 15-Jan-16 19:46:07

I was unsure if it was a porn film or regular film tbh

HeartsTrumpDiamonds Fri 15-Jan-16 19:52:32

Sorry OP I thought porn too blush

RivieraKid Fri 15-Jan-16 19:54:43

My fault, sorry. It's not porn it just has this scene in it.

Viviennemary Fri 15-Jan-16 20:15:13

It's a film. Things happen in films. The people are actors. It isn't real life. Can't see the problem tbh.

Andrewofgg Fri 15-Jan-16 20:15:40

TheCatsMeow Honestly, I think you are pushing it a bit to get this under the misogynist umbrella.

Misogyny is an evil but it's not the only evil in the world!

RivieraKid Fri 15-Jan-16 20:18:21

The people are actors. It isn't real life.

We're shooting the film. That's the real life part. Filming the sex scene is upsetting to one of the actors, in real life.

OfaFrenchmind2 Fri 15-Jan-16 20:23:59

It does happen that male actors are really upset with the material they are handed, especially with very rough or non-consensual sex scenes. I heard that James Master really hated playing the attempted rape on Buffy, and was especially cautious never to have to play something like that again.
I think it is quite telling about their personality when they express repugnance about it, in a very good way.
And the director was an awful dick, and a homophobe.

Viviennemary Fri 15-Jan-16 20:24:23

Well I'm afraid I'd say he was in the wrong job. He must separate his own feelings from his acting role. If a person plays a murderer it doesn't mean they've got murderous tendencies. They're acting.

RivieraKid Fri 15-Jan-16 20:36:24

I think maybe I'm not explaining it very well? It's not that he was unhappy with the material as such, we've done read-throughs before and everyone knew what the deal was, it's that he was clearly panicky and upset while filming and asked to stop and was told he should carry on and enjoy it because that's what guys enjoy? I don't think anyone should face abuse in their job, even if it is the wrong one for them?

uglyswan Fri 15-Jan-16 20:36:48

So he's "free" to walk out (and not get paid) if he wants, is he? What would happen if the rest of the crew walked out with him?

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