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To think Darren Brown "the push" is horiffic

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MrsA2015 Tue 12-Jan-16 22:33:38

Just sat and howled through it. Can't believe what I've just watched really. Brilliant but horrible to watch

TheoriginalLEM Tue 12-Jan-16 22:35:14

i think the not believing part of you is the bit you should be listening too, just total bullshit - imagine the trauma of being made to believe you would have killed someone. You can't tell me that wouldn't have lasting mental health implications! they would sue his arse from here to kingdom come.

OddBoots Tue 12-Jan-16 22:37:04

It's very much in the Stanley Milgram style of experiment. Very uncomfortable but valuable to see - hopefully it has been done with enough care that the subjects are okay.

MrsA2015 Tue 12-Jan-16 22:38:04

Exactly what I was thinking and how would family members react knowing you'd pushed? It wasnt at if it was self defence or anything

TheoriginalLEM Tue 12-Jan-16 22:42:47

You could imagine someone commiting suicide after doing something like that, the lawyers aren't going to let him do that!

WhereYouLeftIt Tue 12-Jan-16 22:50:07

Just watched it, wondering not so much about how family members would feel, but how prospective employers would feel. Really, could you interview those four, and not be thinking '--lacks initiative-- too compliant'. And for the three who pushed, wondering how many years they'd be waking up sweating with nightmares.

On the other hand - a clear demonstration of how a frog is boiled.

OddBoots Tue 12-Jan-16 22:56:56

Watching the twitter feed of #DerrenBrown showed people were almost if not entirely sympathetic with Chris then they other three. No-one was being critical of him, they were generally empathising with or worrying for him. Any employer watching this is likely to be the same.

MrsA2015 Tue 12-Jan-16 23:02:39

I don't know how I'd react if I were to meet any of the "pushers" knowing what they're capable of? How would you feel? I don't know why it's affected me so much!

SeasonalVag Tue 12-Jan-16 23:11:26

I think it's disgraceful. We turned it off. Morally unjustifiable. I'm sure they've made it legally watertight for themselves, but that's not all that matters is it.

Bambambini Tue 12-Jan-16 23:23:54

Can someone explain the format, how was I conducted?

Wardrobespierre Tue 12-Jan-16 23:30:51

There's another AIBU thread and a chat thread.

It's not real grin

funnybeanz Tue 12-Jan-16 23:33:51

It''s defiantly real. Chris is my fiance''s best friend, he isn't an actor and didn't know that it was a set up until the end. It was excruciating to watch tonight as we didn't know the outcome (he told noone) but very interesting!

Wardrobespierre Tue 12-Jan-16 23:49:10

I'm afraid I don't believe it.

whatdoIget Tue 12-Jan-16 23:54:57

I've not watched it, but wrt the milgram experiment, we were taught at school that it could never be repeated nowadays due to ethical considerations, ie they would never be given clearance. So I assume that this derren brown thing is not real.

soggyweetabix Wed 13-Jan-16 06:57:12

funnybeanz is Chris ok now? How does he feel about the programme?

funnybeanz Wed 13-Jan-16 08:48:13

Yes it's certainly real. Chris is fine now, fairly nervous last night as it was the first time friends and family had watched it. He gave nothing away so we didn't know how it ended. I imagine it would be harder for the other 3 who did push, at least Chris can feel proud that he walked away. He and his family had a private screening last night. He genuinely said he didn't know any of it was a set up and that it was horrific. He got a fair bit of de-briefing etc after to make sure he was OK and explaining social compliance etc. It was strange to watch and I was shouting at the TV that he must have known, I was sure he wouldn't do the speech. Just very proud that he didn't push!

senua Wed 13-Jan-16 08:53:32

They had exit interviews with the three pushers at the end of the programme. They all seemed happy and stronger. I assume that Derren has done extensive work with them. I know he has said in previous programmes like this that that is what they do.

Hihohoho1 Wed 13-Jan-16 08:58:48

It was horrific and disgraceful tv and Derren Brown should be ashamed of himself.

Vile nasty and him grinning over it all was plain evil.

Jux Wed 13-Jan-16 09:06:51

I think the people he uses are almost certainly seriously traumatised after. A few sessions with a sleb psych immediately after won't help.

DB messes with people's minds. There are neuronal connections set up in his victims' brains which will be there forever, and we have no idea how that affects them long term.

But that's OK, it was entertaining.

Read about Milgram's prisoner/guard experiment. Read about how the 'guards' were affected afterwards.

There's a reason these sort of psychological studies aren't allowed nowadays.

But if it's tv then it's OK.

Jux Wed 13-Jan-16 09:07:44

Brutalising. That's the word I'm looking for.

VertigoNun Wed 13-Jan-16 09:10:59

Should I not watch then?

funnybeanz Wed 13-Jan-16 09:14:04

Watch it. I can't speak for the other 3 but I can tell you Chris is fine, back to normal. Obviously we don't know long term how he will feel. At the moment he''s pleased it happened to him and u think is proud of what he did at the end. But he''s naturally very interested in this kind of stuff anyway, I guess most people who apply are.

senua Wed 13-Jan-16 09:33:56

Should I not watch then?

Posters on here seem to be shooting the messenger (perhaps not the best metaphor!grin) rather than listening to the message.
It's up to you. Which will you concentrate on: the message or the messenger?

TheoriginalLEM Wed 13-Jan-16 09:40:02

what messenger?

Omuelltonne Wed 13-Jan-16 09:42:22

Here's something that occurred to me. If a man goes online, chats to someone he believes to be a 13-year-old girl, starts chatting her up and then arranges to meet, but it turns out it was a policeman all along, he'll end up in prison, even though there was never a real victim. On this Derren Brown programme, there was no real murder victim, but the dupes did genuinely believe they were killing someone. OK, so there was a lot of manipulation in the mix, and social pressure, which was the point of the show, but in their minds they believed they were taking someone's life.

My point is that though we might (might) be justified in crying 'entrapment' in the case of these dupes, we cannot rely on the fact of there being no real victim, as we already have another arena of criminal law in which the lack of a real victim is considered utterly irrelevant.

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