AIBU to just look the other way?(22 Posts)
I've posted a version of this in Legal, but lack of traffic is frustrating and I desperately want some opinions/thoughts.
We want to sell our house in the summer, but I'm getting concerned about the anti-social behaviour we've experienced. Over the past six months or so we've had issues with young men (late teens/early twenties) using our road for dealing weed. They'll turn up in the same cars, park up and sit there for ages. Both us and our neighbours have witnessed suspicious behaviour indicating dealing is going on, so definitely not just personal use.
The men are never threatening or intimidating. They have never said a word to us or damaged any property as far as I'm aware. They are not violent.
About 3 months ago it seemed to be escalating (cars turning up more frequently, constantly parked etc) so we tried to call 101 as much as possible, and the police gave us all ASB diaries to fill out, which we did and handed back. After that, the activity decreased markedly so we thought we'd got rid of them.
Unfortunately, it seems that they're back. A scrappy looking car has now been parked in our road for over three weeks, and it's clearly being used as a drop off point for dealing. We've started reporting to the police again. They came out the other night and appear to have been looking at the car, but it's still there several days later.
I feel we're now at a fork in the road. As we continue to report this stuff, putting our house on the market moves ever closer. It's getting to the point where I'm worried it's something we'd have to disclose to potential buyers. I'm starting to wonder if we should just stop reporting it/calling the police, as it's creating a paper trail. As I've said, there's no physical threat from these men, it's just a nuisance.
I've searched the web for any similar issues but can only find stuff about anti-social neighbours online, which these guys are not.
I can't begin to explain how much we need to sell this house, it's actually nothing to do with the dealers. Being in this house reminds me of how I wanted to die after I'd had DS (severe PND), and how I made plans to have him adopted. It eats away at me every day. I have to leave for my sanity.
Has anyone experienced anything like this and successfully sold their house? My anxiety levels are through the roof.
If a potential buyer speaks to neighbour, they might find out anyway and wonder what else you're covering up.
You may get a viewing whilst something is going on.
So I'd push for it to be stopped.
These situations usually escalate, which in a way it has, by the car being parked.
You can look up crime statistics and if your neighbors are reporting it, then it may show up anyway.
I may be wrong, but I think you are overthinking it.
From your post there are people who might be drug dealers who might be dealing drugs that turn up in your road some evenings.
I don't know much about these things, but it doesn't sound like a long term plan for these "dealers" if what you say is correct. Are you saying the parked car is storing the drugs, because it's not, it would have been cleaned out night one.
Unless you live in Scotland (I think there are stronger laws on disclosure when selling property) I don't see that this is an issue, even if they are doing it, it's not like the police won't move them on at some point, they haven't claimed sovereign status on a small patch of your street and will be there forever.
Don't see an issue here, just move on and market the property
No I haven't experienced anything like this. However it is the responsibility of the buyers to check out the street and wider neighbourhood. It is your responsibility to decalre your problems with neighbours not neighbourhood crime. What annoys one person will not bother another!
I think you should keep reporting them to the police. They will get fed up and go elsewhere.
why do you think your road is so attractive? Is it quiet and out of the way?
Is there anything you and the neighbours could do together to make it less attractive?
Just trying to think outside the box really. If reporting it to the police isn't helping, then perhaps there is something else that can be done? Neighbourhood watch signs? CCTV camera? motion activated lights? If they feel it isn't a quiet, unmonitored area, perhaps they will go elsewhere?
I'm not stupid. I know such activities can't be stopped so making them want to move elsewhere really is the best option for you.
LurkingOne - there's definitely something weird going on with it. It's been parked there for weeks and hasn't moved, doesn't belong to anyone in the road. My neighbours and I have seen young men pull up in other cars, briefly go to the parked car and then leave about 60 seconds later. Something's clearly being stored in/under it but probably only periodically as otherwise the police would have found something I imagine. Your post has cheered me up though, perhaps I am overthinking - I do suffer from quite bad anxiety about stuff like this!
Arfarfanarf - yes, a quiet road which you'd only go down if you lived there. No through traffic. I'm going to get a powerful security light installed in the hope that it will make it less attractive to them. We're reluctant to go the way of CCTV as it suggests a dodgy area I suppose! Thank you for your advice though, I'll look into a neighbourhood watch sign!
Moving15 - thank you, has put my mind at ease a little! I did a few checks myself when buying this house, nothing came up at the time!
YANBU. I think you need to stop reporting it yourself and just put the house on the market. You have no control over what the neighbours do or say, so don't worry about them. Your house will be the right one for somebody else but you clearly need to find another one! And buyers will need to do their own research - I really wouldn't expect the seller to tell me about something like this. It's all alleged drug dealing anyway, nothing concrete, and not connected directly to your property. I once moved into a house that had actually been used as a cannabis farm previously - the neighbours had wild tales to tell. The house was lovely, we stayed for years. On the positive side you can definitely talk about the great neighbourly atmosphere on the street! Good luck selling!
It will only be periodically kept there. No way they leave their stash unattended, someone would find out and go and help themselves.
Chances are they move on soon enough though, it's definitely not going to prove a long term issue for the buyer by the sound of it, so you should be fine, good luck with the sale
I think from a legal and conveyancing perspective, you need to only consider your obligation, which is to be specific on your seller statement whether you have had formal disputes with your neighbours I. E. Ones that have needed to go to agencies like Environmental dept at the local council. That's why the normal recommendation about disputes is to resolve amicably not formally. so it doesn't affect selling the property.
The things you have mentioned in your OP aren't from what I read (a) formalised disputes about disturbances eg noise levels, or related to your boundaries and (b) ongoing or past (and now resolved)formal disputes that you have been forced to escalate to official bodies because your life has been made unbearable.
I agree, the stuff you describe is just run of the mill, i expect its more common thanpeople are aware of in most areas! Id desist from making anything formal that equates to a specific dispute with a specific person/s. Ensure you don't lie on any forms by covering up any formal actions that you haven't mentioned here. That is illegal and could cause you big problems.
Thanks daisy - are anti-social behaviour diaries a formal action? We filled in some a few months ago.
I wouldn't worry. Our sellers were slightly economical with the truth about the neighbours (who aren't too bad anyway) but I don't mind particularly - it's what I'd do. It's up to them to sell their house. If a buyer did get back to you, you could always say you hadn't noticed anything.
We had a similar incident a few years back and my dh rang the dvla & reported the abandoned vehicle as stolen. Within a few days the real owner came and drove it away. I think he dumped it because he couldn't be bothered paying scrappage fees. Could you do something similar, call the dvla with the car reg and let them do the querying?
Re the diaries, did you formally submit them to the police? If so, I would suggest that you ask your conveyancing solicitor about whether they need to be declared on your sellers documentation.
I'd be careful to get the legal situation clarified. Your solicitor should be representing your best interests, enuring you don't declare what isn't necessary to, but at the same time uphold your obligation as a seller.
Potential buyer could smoke weed, and be thrilled to only have to go up the road for gear
Seriously though, as they aren't noisy or disruptive, I wouldn't mention it. It may take new owners a while to even notice anything dodgy.
Have reported the car to the DVLA as it's not taxed. Also had the local PCSO round who seemed to imply that they were building a big case against them.
Last night there were 3 or 4 of them actually sitting in the car, getting in and out, then they started shining a laser pointer at houses - just fuck off you utter bellends! They all had hoods up to conceal their faces, if I'd been a pedestrian walking past I would have been really intimidated. Called 101 and they sent two patrol cars screaming down the road, bloody missed them by about 5 minutes, they'd scarpered!
RE the diaries, we were given them by the PCSO a few months ago, filled in a few and then handed them back a few weeks later (she called round and collected them). Don't know whether that's "formally submitting" them?
Honestly, I think you're majorly overthinking this.
I live on a street where drugs are sold. Not long after I moved in, the house across the road was rented by a group of 18 year olds who dealt weed, hung around and smoked it outside. We reported when the behavior actually bothered us (late at night, loud). Do I get a bit concerned now and again when I see people who seem to be on something more than weed? Yes. But these things ebb and flow, and they can turn up anywhere. In truth, the boys got girlfriends and settled down! It didn't stop me buying the house when I had the opportunity.
The security light is a good idea. I'd report behavior that upsets/intimidates me (the laser pointers), just because it takes a while to sell a house and you have to be as happy as you can be there. Unless they're actually intimidating people though, you will probably find that local weed drug dealing bothers people less than you think.
Also, I think your local police are awfully good. Ours took half an hour to turn up at my last place when people were trying to break into the shop downstairs!
Laser pointers can be dangerous as well as bloody annoying, if one hits your retina. Have you tried leaving a note on the car? "The police are watching you, you stupid twats, everyone knows what you're doing. If you stop now, and clear off, you might not be in just as much shit as you will be if you carry on". If police have car registration, they'll still find them. But might make them a bit paranoid and they might bugger off. They're probably too cocky to think the police are on to them.
Also, consider how much more you notice, because you're looking for it. It was only after an 'incident' that I registered that someone on the street gets deliveries that look like takeaway food but would be stone cold, given that the delivery person (hood up) spends ages in the car checking his phone before dashing to the door, which furtively opens a crack, before the 'food' is whipped inside. You could live here for years and never guess what was going on, though.
We had a problem with anti-social behaviour/ teens being abusive in the street.
At a pre arranged time when they are more likely to be there get all the neighbours into the street for a cuppa and a matter. Make sure you all make pointed stares at them.
The people in our street didn't like this much and moved on after a few times.
Remember you are all witnesses to each other and may or may not hear any allegations from the trouble makers regarding what may or may not be said.
No violence or threats from the residents just a massive presence to make themselves felt.
We had drug dealers on our street for a while. They were dealing from a privately rented house which was raided, but only paraphernalia found at the time rather than drugs. There were also cars coming and going a lot, and people getting out of one car and into another. It didn't really disturb anyone, because they're obviously trying to keep a low profile. A neighbourhood watch was set up, and some neighbours added big bright security lights which seemed to deter them. Eventually they moved on.
I'd chat to any neighbours that you're friendly with to see if they've been complaining. To be honest, unless someone asked outright whether there was any 'trouble' in the area I wouldn't bother to disclose. Every street has its own issues, our current place has drunk people walking home which is far more noisy and annoying! And if someone is buying your home its up to them to check out crime stats etc.
Thanks isthatpoisontoo - that's reassuring!
wickedlazy - I think they're incredibly stupid and cocky. The laser pointer thing is a case in point, why draw attention to yourself?
littledrummergirl - that's a good suggestion, my dad suggested that as well. Just increasing foot traffic would help, although a little hard in the current weather and darkness!
If you have reported the car to the police ask them to put a "police notified' sticker on it. They do this to cars left after accidents. The police did this to an abandoned car being used as a stash the local drug dealers.
My next door neighbour used to deal drugs from his mother's house usually at night when she worked
to pay the mortgage. During the summer several of us neighbours took to sitting outside our front doors and loudly saying hello to his customers. They soon stopped coming by.
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