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to remind Cameron that one of Jesus' messages was to look after the poor

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Egosumquisum Thu 24-Dec-15 09:43:24

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Egosumquisum Thu 24-Dec-15 09:45:53

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MoggyP Thu 24-Dec-15 09:47:01

Yes, I think the overseas aid budget needs to be expanded significantly and immediately.

Global inequality is a crying shame.

Queenbean Thu 24-Dec-15 09:50:27

I think that quoting any religion is bloody dangerous and they should do what is best morally rather than quoting some old book, the values of which a lot of people don't even believe in / agree with

Egosumquisum Thu 24-Dec-15 09:54:38

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LucyMouse Thu 24-Dec-15 09:57:21

Hear hear!

dingdongMadHairDayonhigh Thu 24-Dec-15 09:57:24

YANBU. He seems to have conveniently ignored the roots of Christianity; Christ born amidst poverty and scandal, his refugee parents rejected and outcast. And Jesus' message is indeed of hope, but hope for the poor, destitute, homeless, the sick, the ones which society shunned, again and again. Cameron can't claim to be Christian and ignore this central message imo.
I love the parable of the huge banquet where the rich dude's guests flake out on him for rubbish reasons and he goes out into the streets and invites those with nothing, and Christ makes it clear this is what his Kingdom is like. Huge generosity to the poorest. Austerity doesn't quite fit in with that.

I rather suspect Cameron is from the 'God helps those who help themselves' school of Christianity which is, in fact, not a christian message at all and quite the opposite of the grace of God set forth in Jesus.

YANBU!

meditrina Thu 24-Dec-15 10:05:25

I agree that global inequality is the bigger and more important challenge.

Rich countries can and should be doing much, much more.

Christianity is spread across the globe.

If all are brothers and sisters in Christ, then helping the poorest is an excellent starting point.

dangerrabbit Thu 24-Dec-15 10:10:34

Cameron reminds me of the Pharisees.

Egosumquisum Thu 24-Dec-15 10:13:39

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GraceKellysLeftArm Thu 24-Dec-15 10:15:11

YABU.

I am a disabled single mother.

How much money should be "given" to me? More than a shop girl? More or less than a nurse? More or less than a banker?

Destinysdaughter Thu 24-Dec-15 10:18:48

Totally agree with you OP. It's more spin and hype, utterly meaningless in reality. Jesus is often called the first socialist and would be appalled at his name being used in this way by this money grubbing twat!

AuntieStella Thu 24-Dec-15 10:21:04

That bit about the ArchBish reminds me of Yes Prime Minister.

Politicians do speeches about values, and religious leaders about politics.

(I think that programme should be shown annually as a public service, or at least in the run up to elections. Nothing's changed, and the none of the parties are ever different when in government).

DyslexicScientist Thu 24-Dec-15 10:22:27

Yabu.

Not sure foreign aid really does much. Seems to help the rich people in poor countries.

The Bible is outdated, I bet he has shellfish and mixed fabrics too.

Griphook Thu 24-Dec-15 10:22:44

Yes tell him, unfortunately I don't think he'd give a shit.
Maybe he might a visit from the ghost of Christmas present tonight

Egosumquisum Thu 24-Dec-15 10:25:44

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meditrina Thu 24-Dec-15 10:27:53

Foreign aid may or may not be well spent.

Just because it can go wrong is no reason to abandon the good projects, and definitely not a reason to avoid doing more of the good.

www.un.org/millenniumgoals/ are now to 2015 'and beyond'

megletthesecond Thu 24-Dec-15 10:29:10

Yanbu.

Samcro Thu 24-Dec-15 10:29:49

yanbu he is a hypocrite
but then look how he treats disabled children. whilst shutting down debate, I am always surprised that people dont see him for the vile con man he is.

MoggyP Thu 24-Dec-15 10:29:50

"This is not about foreign aid. It's about Cameron and his attitude. Claiming to have Christian values."

It very much is to me.

Jesus came to save the world not specifically Europe. And the British prime minister can do a great deal on the global stage if so minded.

Mistigri Thu 24-Dec-15 10:31:20

YABU, given that there is no evidence whatsoever that Cameron is a Christian.

He's a band-wagon jumper with no principles or beliefs who goes to church to please elderly Tories.

knobblyknee Thu 24-Dec-15 10:41:38

YANBU, the Tories despise the poor right here at home.

Hereward1332 Thu 24-Dec-15 10:43:19

While it's undeniably a good thing to look after poor, I think you are wrongly paraphrasing Jesus' message, which was not to abnegate your responsibilities to the poor, and give charity freely to those who need it. It's a form of socialism without a state. Jesus encourages Christians to give to the poor, but I'm not sure he argues for increased donations from taxation. In that sense, YABU - personal charity is the message - nothing to do with taxation.

noblegiraffe Thu 24-Dec-15 10:47:50

Maybe he has a Jesus complex. Remember when Mary Magdalene poured expensive oil on his head and the apostles slated her and said that the perfume should have been sold and the money used to help the poor? Jesus said that there would always be poor people, but he wouldn't always be around and therefore it was a good use of money.

Remember folks, Cameron won't be around forever, so let's give him tax breaks while we can.

meditrina Thu 24-Dec-15 10:48:00

Actually, I think you're right Hereward1332. Christians needed to pay their taxes (give unto Caesar etc) but there was no support for the whole system of taxation.

It was all about personal giving, so that no-one was poorer than you.

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